To the gurus...
12-01-04, 09:26 PM
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RETed and IceMark... the only reason I'm asking you two is you might know without trying this...
As I had stated before, I think my water pump bearing is out... how long can I safely run the engine (from completely cold) before I run a risk of overheating, without the alt/w.p belt?
As I had stated before, I think my water pump bearing is out... how long can I safely run the engine (from completely cold) before I run a risk of overheating, without the alt/w.p belt?
12-01-04, 09:35 PM
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5 minutes most, if you dont have coolant circulating the coolant will just heat up and not go anywhere, and just overheat.
so paranoid as i am i would say no longer than 5 minutes, i would forget about driving before i got that pump replaced. so get it done pronto!
so paranoid as i am i would say no longer than 5 minutes, i would forget about driving before i got that pump replaced. so get it done pronto!
12-01-04, 09:37 PM
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yeah, thats what im getting at... a nasty grinding noise, and after thinging about it, and replacing transmissions cause of it (which wasnt the cause of the noise) ive narrowed it down to the water pump... If i undid the water pump, then the noise would theoretically stop, but well see...
12-01-04, 09:40 PM
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yeah noise would stop, but then you would have an overheating prob on your hands which is a bad idea for rotary engines. soo, be safe and have a friend drive you to get a new water pump, and replace it
12-01-04, 09:53 PM
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You're going to try and run the engine without the water pump turning?
Oh dude, I wouldn't want to even try that.
Get the water pump changed - if not, don't drive the car.
Once the seal on the water pump fails, then you gotta worry about a coolant leak, which will lead to overheating.
You do NOT want to overheat the engine.
I dunno how much more I can stress that short of flashing neon...
-Ted
Oh dude, I wouldn't want to even try that.
Get the water pump changed - if not, don't drive the car.
Once the seal on the water pump fails, then you gotta worry about a coolant leak, which will lead to overheating.
You do NOT want to overheat the engine.
I dunno how much more I can stress that short of flashing neon...
-Ted
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man.... haven't posted anything in a while....
"You do NOT want to overheat the engine.
I dunno how much more I can stress that short of flashing neon... "
Overheating the engine is not a good idea... obviously...
but i think our engines are stronger than most might imagine....
i've been on this forum for more than a year a half, although i don't post a lot, i read a lot. afterall, i built a t2 using this forum. during the 1 year that it took me to build it, i have read enough about people blowing their engines and really doubted its reliability.
just got my 7 running for the 1st time in april. i've been to the track (road course) numerous times with it and the engine survived through my beating the entire season. and when i say beating, i meant BEATING.
the first 2 times i was on the track the car had cooling issues. i beat it till the stock temp gauge sat right before it reaches "H", then i'll cool it down, and then beat it again. over and over and over. ya that's right. the temp gauge went to the top.
engine still runs as well as the beginning of the season. still drive it on the street everyday. it lived through my 8k driving on the track w/ the temp reading that's out the roof.
i've read about hundreds of rotary engines that people own. i've had only 1 rotary engine. i trust my own experience.
No. I don't recommend you driving w/o your waterpump working. But i just thought it's interesting how my engine is still running....
from my experience, our cars are pretty tough. the only thing that broke this track season is an NA tranny. prob just too old. the only mod i have on the car is exhaust, rims and tires. everything else is stock including the 16 year old suspensions. awesome car on the track. it's great the way it came out of the show room. i love it!
howi
"You do NOT want to overheat the engine.
I dunno how much more I can stress that short of flashing neon... "
Overheating the engine is not a good idea... obviously...
but i think our engines are stronger than most might imagine....
i've been on this forum for more than a year a half, although i don't post a lot, i read a lot. afterall, i built a t2 using this forum. during the 1 year that it took me to build it, i have read enough about people blowing their engines and really doubted its reliability.
just got my 7 running for the 1st time in april. i've been to the track (road course) numerous times with it and the engine survived through my beating the entire season. and when i say beating, i meant BEATING.
the first 2 times i was on the track the car had cooling issues. i beat it till the stock temp gauge sat right before it reaches "H", then i'll cool it down, and then beat it again. over and over and over. ya that's right. the temp gauge went to the top.
engine still runs as well as the beginning of the season. still drive it on the street everyday. it lived through my 8k driving on the track w/ the temp reading that's out the roof.
i've read about hundreds of rotary engines that people own. i've had only 1 rotary engine. i trust my own experience.
No. I don't recommend you driving w/o your waterpump working. But i just thought it's interesting how my engine is still running....
from my experience, our cars are pretty tough. the only thing that broke this track season is an NA tranny. prob just too old. the only mod i have on the car is exhaust, rims and tires. everything else is stock including the 16 year old suspensions. awesome car on the track. it's great the way it came out of the show room. i love it!
howi
12-02-04, 05:08 AM
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man.... haven't posted anything in a while....
"You do NOT want to overheat the engine.
I dunno how much more I can stress that short of flashing neon... "
Overheating the engine is not a good idea... obviously...
but i think our engines are stronger than most might imagine....
i've been on this forum for more than a year a half, although i don't post a lot, i read a lot. afterall, i built a t2 using this forum. during the 1 year that it took me to build it, i have read enough about people blowing their engines and really doubted its reliability.
just got my 7 running for the 1st time in april. i've been to the track (road course) numerous times with it and the engine survived through my beating the entire season. and when i say beating, i meant BEATING.
the first 2 times i was on the track the car had cooling issues. i beat it till the stock temp gauge sat right before it reaches "H", then i'll cool it down, and then beat it again. over and over and over. ya that's right. the temp gauge went to the top.
engine still runs as well as the beginning of the season. still drive it on the street everyday. it lived through my 8k driving on the track w/ the temp reading that's out the roof.
i've read about hundreds of rotary engines that people own. i've had only 1 rotary engine. i trust my own experience.
No. I don't recommend you driving w/o your waterpump working. But i just thought it's interesting how my engine is still running....
from my experience, our cars are pretty tough. the only thing that broke this track season is an NA tranny. prob just too old. the only mod i have on the car is exhaust, rims and tires. everything else is stock including the 16 year old suspensions. awesome car on the track. it's great the way it came out of the show room. i love it!
howi
"You do NOT want to overheat the engine.
I dunno how much more I can stress that short of flashing neon... "
Overheating the engine is not a good idea... obviously...
but i think our engines are stronger than most might imagine....
i've been on this forum for more than a year a half, although i don't post a lot, i read a lot. afterall, i built a t2 using this forum. during the 1 year that it took me to build it, i have read enough about people blowing their engines and really doubted its reliability.
just got my 7 running for the 1st time in april. i've been to the track (road course) numerous times with it and the engine survived through my beating the entire season. and when i say beating, i meant BEATING.
the first 2 times i was on the track the car had cooling issues. i beat it till the stock temp gauge sat right before it reaches "H", then i'll cool it down, and then beat it again. over and over and over. ya that's right. the temp gauge went to the top.
engine still runs as well as the beginning of the season. still drive it on the street everyday. it lived through my 8k driving on the track w/ the temp reading that's out the roof.
i've read about hundreds of rotary engines that people own. i've had only 1 rotary engine. i trust my own experience.
No. I don't recommend you driving w/o your waterpump working. But i just thought it's interesting how my engine is still running....
from my experience, our cars are pretty tough. the only thing that broke this track season is an NA tranny. prob just too old. the only mod i have on the car is exhaust, rims and tires. everything else is stock including the 16 year old suspensions. awesome car on the track. it's great the way it came out of the show room. i love it!
howi
I don't understand why you kept racing so much after you overheated the 1st time...? That seems kind of dumb (no offense), given that you've read these cars are easily succeptable(sp?) to internal coolant seal failure... I overheated my N/A the first time I took it around the block after putting a fresh motor in. I had a bad thermostat. Couple weeks later after running no T-stat (ok, just takes a while to warm up) another (bad) thermostat was put in, and it again overheated. Pretty much, all throughout it's short life it was plagued with minor coolant system issues. Two bad thermostats and a bad water pump. It started needing a little bit of coolant every couple of days and it would smoke a little on start-up. Several times on a longer distance drive the coolant system got low and the temp. would read above the half-way mark on the stock gauge (NOT good) before I could find water to refill the system with. I guess the moral of my story is thus: Simply, every time you overheat the motor, the internal seals get worse. The car will slowly begin drinking the coolant into the combustion chamber causing the car to blow white-ish smoke on start-up (and make it difficult to start). Ironically, every time you over-heat it, it'll be THAT much more likely to over-heat the next time, because the seals have been repeatedly damaged. You'll have to fill up the coolant system very regularly to the point where you'll consistently overheat it again and again and again, till either it's impossible to go anywhere because the coolant passes through the system so quickly, or you'll do like I did and lose a rotor... Your personal experience is important, but probably not as important (to another person) as knowing that you should avoid overheated these cars at all costs.
12-02-04, 12:31 PM
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"I don't understand why you kept racing so much after you overheated the 1st time...? "
I overheated it much more than once.
"That seems kind of dumb (no offense), given that you've read these cars are easily succeptable(sp?) to internal coolant seal failure... "
This is why I don't post anymore. Everytime anyone posts something, someone else has to come in and make an opnion about it. I didn't post my reply so someone can say I'm dumb. I just stated the facts, I informed the community what I had done to my car and how it's still alive. That's all. Clear and simple. I decided to beat my car knowing the consequences that may follow. That's MY choice and none of anybody's business. right? All I'm saying is, SURPRISINGLY, the consequences that I assumed should have followed in fact did not.
BTW, I've always wondered about this.... Why do people always like to throw an insult to someone, and followed by a "no offence"? Does the "no offence" make the insult not an insult? I just don't get it.
"I overheated my N/A the first time I took it around the block after putting a fresh motor in. I had a bad thermostat. Couple weeks later after running no T-stat (ok, just takes a while to warm up) another (bad) thermostat was put in, and it again overheated. Pretty much, all throughout it's short life it was plagued with minor coolant system issues. Two bad thermostats and a bad water pump. It started needing a little bit of coolant every couple of days and it would smoke a little on start-up. Several times on a longer distance drive the coolant system got low and the temp. would read above the half-way mark on the stock gauge (NOT good) before I could find water to refill the system with. I guess the moral of my story is thus: Simply, every time you overheat the motor, the internal seals get worse."
You're just the 101th person who I had "read" about on the forum who has overheated their engine and blew it.
"The car will slowly begin drinking the coolant into the combustion chamber causing the car to blow white-ish smoke on start-up (and make it difficult to start). Ironically, every time you over-heat it, it'll be THAT much more likely to over-heat the next time, because the seals have been repeatedly damaged. You'll have to fill up the coolant system very regularly to the point where you'll consistently overheat it again and again and again, till either it's impossible to go anywhere because the coolant passes through the system so quickly, or you'll do like I did and lose a rotor..."
Yes yes.... Like I said, I've read all this countless times already.
"Your personal experience is important, but probably not as important (to another person) as knowing that you should avoid overheated these cars at all costs."
If you read my previous reply, I clearly said "No. I don't recommend you driving w/o your waterpump working. But i just thought it's interesting how my engine is still running.... " I didn't tell anyone that it is ok to overheat their engines.
I've never owned a rotary engine, so I risked MY OWN car to run my own experiments got surprising results. Is that really so dumb? All of you have heard too much about how unreliable our engines are. For once someone praises its reliability, what's the problem? This is an information database. I had just made some contribution and reported a relatively difficult-to-obtain information to the forum. Clear and simple. No need to form opinions. I only reported the facts.
howi
I overheated it much more than once.
"That seems kind of dumb (no offense), given that you've read these cars are easily succeptable(sp?) to internal coolant seal failure... "
This is why I don't post anymore. Everytime anyone posts something, someone else has to come in and make an opnion about it. I didn't post my reply so someone can say I'm dumb. I just stated the facts, I informed the community what I had done to my car and how it's still alive. That's all. Clear and simple. I decided to beat my car knowing the consequences that may follow. That's MY choice and none of anybody's business. right? All I'm saying is, SURPRISINGLY, the consequences that I assumed should have followed in fact did not.
BTW, I've always wondered about this.... Why do people always like to throw an insult to someone, and followed by a "no offence"? Does the "no offence" make the insult not an insult? I just don't get it.
"I overheated my N/A the first time I took it around the block after putting a fresh motor in. I had a bad thermostat. Couple weeks later after running no T-stat (ok, just takes a while to warm up) another (bad) thermostat was put in, and it again overheated. Pretty much, all throughout it's short life it was plagued with minor coolant system issues. Two bad thermostats and a bad water pump. It started needing a little bit of coolant every couple of days and it would smoke a little on start-up. Several times on a longer distance drive the coolant system got low and the temp. would read above the half-way mark on the stock gauge (NOT good) before I could find water to refill the system with. I guess the moral of my story is thus: Simply, every time you overheat the motor, the internal seals get worse."
You're just the 101th person who I had "read" about on the forum who has overheated their engine and blew it.
"The car will slowly begin drinking the coolant into the combustion chamber causing the car to blow white-ish smoke on start-up (and make it difficult to start). Ironically, every time you over-heat it, it'll be THAT much more likely to over-heat the next time, because the seals have been repeatedly damaged. You'll have to fill up the coolant system very regularly to the point where you'll consistently overheat it again and again and again, till either it's impossible to go anywhere because the coolant passes through the system so quickly, or you'll do like I did and lose a rotor..."
Yes yes.... Like I said, I've read all this countless times already.
"Your personal experience is important, but probably not as important (to another person) as knowing that you should avoid overheated these cars at all costs."
If you read my previous reply, I clearly said "No. I don't recommend you driving w/o your waterpump working. But i just thought it's interesting how my engine is still running.... " I didn't tell anyone that it is ok to overheat their engines.
I've never owned a rotary engine, so I risked MY OWN car to run my own experiments got surprising results. Is that really so dumb? All of you have heard too much about how unreliable our engines are. For once someone praises its reliability, what's the problem? This is an information database. I had just made some contribution and reported a relatively difficult-to-obtain information to the forum. Clear and simple. No need to form opinions. I only reported the facts.
howi
12-02-04, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Howi
Overheating the engine is not a good idea... obviously...
but i think our engines are stronger than most might imagine....
but i think our engines are stronger than most might imagine....
The heater hose under the oil filter blew on him on the highway.
I'd like to see you convince him the motor is stronger than you think...
just got my 7 running for the 1st time in april. i've been to the track (road course) numerous times with it and the engine survived through my beating the entire season. and when i say beating, i meant BEATING.
the first 2 times i was on the track the car had cooling issues. i beat it till the stock temp gauge sat right before it reaches "H", then i'll cool it down, and then beat it again. over and over and over. ya that's right. the temp gauge went to the top.
engine still runs as well as the beginning of the season. still drive it on the street everyday. it lived through my 8k driving on the track w/ the temp reading that's out the roof.
i've read about hundreds of rotary engines that people own. i've had only 1 rotary engine. i trust my own experience.
the first 2 times i was on the track the car had cooling issues. i beat it till the stock temp gauge sat right before it reaches "H", then i'll cool it down, and then beat it again. over and over and over. ya that's right. the temp gauge went to the top.
engine still runs as well as the beginning of the season. still drive it on the street everyday. it lived through my 8k driving on the track w/ the temp reading that's out the roof.
i've read about hundreds of rotary engines that people own. i've had only 1 rotary engine. i trust my own experience.
Please install these gauge and give us hard numbers other than stock-gauge-hit-H-for-a-while experiences.
-Ted
12-02-04, 07:43 PM
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ehh Howi, I didn't call YOU dumb, I formed an opinion based on your CHOICES and called THOSE dumb. Why would you knowingly destroy a perfectly good car, or even if it's NOT destroyed, why would you do what you know has destroyed 100's of other Rx's? This is an open forum; all things are open to debate and questioning. You should EXPECT opinions.. More often than not, people WANT opinions.
Maybe there's more to the story, like you have a bunch of other cars, or maybe you got your car free or something... But you're right, what you do to your car is up to you, but you can't expect other people to not be concerned about what they view as a bad decision.. Like if I had a friend who had a really nice TV and he was going to hit it repeatedly with a hammer to test it's "durability", I'd do all that I could do to convince him that it's probably not worth destroying it... If he later went on to post his results about how the TV is OK even after multiple blows with a hammer, I'd still ask WHY he felt the need to hit the TV in the first place.
Thanks for sharing your results. Don't be worried what I think about you, I have no power over you...
Maybe there's more to the story, like you have a bunch of other cars, or maybe you got your car free or something... But you're right, what you do to your car is up to you, but you can't expect other people to not be concerned about what they view as a bad decision.. Like if I had a friend who had a really nice TV and he was going to hit it repeatedly with a hammer to test it's "durability", I'd do all that I could do to convince him that it's probably not worth destroying it... If he later went on to post his results about how the TV is OK even after multiple blows with a hammer, I'd still ask WHY he felt the need to hit the TV in the first place.
Thanks for sharing your results. Don't be worried what I think about you, I have no power over you...
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"Hmmm...I had a customer destroy a $3,000 rebuild because he ignored the temp gauge on "H".
The heater hose under the oil filter blew on him on the highway."
Hey buddy, guess what? I DON'T CARE! Freaking stop telling me the stories already!! you're the 102th. you feel better now?
I don't know you, I don't know your "customer". I don't know who built the $3000 engine. I don't know what's in the $3000 engine. I don't know who installed the engine and overlooked something as important as a heater hose (wait a minute... I think you said he was YOUR customer.... does that mean you installed it??) and... I DON"T CARE!
"I'd like to see you convince him the motor is stronger than you think..."
Hey all mighty Reted, can you listen for a second of your life? Maybe you should re-read what I wrote earlier. I'm NOT CONVINCING ANYONE! GOT IT?! Again, I reported what happened. FACTS. Clear and simple. You wanna buy it? Sure. You don't buy it? Sure.
"You either got to be really lucky or really stupid to be "BEATING' on your car on the track with no aftermarket water temp or oil temp gauges."
since when did this become a criterium to determine an individual's intelligence?
How many times have you been on a road course? How many lapping sessions have you been to? How many times have you been on a road course w/ cars other than a 7?
Go to ANY lapping sessions/events, open your freakin eyes and look around. You'll be surprise at how many people you would call "stupid" exist in this world. Not everyone has the money to have all the gauges, standalones, wideband this and that, full coilovers, roll cages, hell, not even a decent paint job. Have you heard of a term called a "track beater"? I have a team of friends who build our own cars from scratch at home, peice by peice, and hit the track w/ minimal budget. We just love to build cars. And we LOVE racing at a safe and legal place.
"Please install these gauge and give us hard numbers other than stock-gauge-hit-H-for-a-while experiences."
I'm sorry. I didn't know that I had accidentally violated rx7club.com forum rule #145 made by Reted. How about you fund my next track season and I'll report all my "hard numbers" to you? Get off your high horse and look around. Not everyone has a $20,000 show car. Not everyone has a $50,000 dyno queen. And not everyone has a $100,000 track car.
"ehh Howi, I didn't call YOU dumb, I formed an opinion based on your CHOICES and called THOSE dumb. Why would you knowingly destroy a perfectly good car, or even if it's NOT destroyed, why would you do what you know has destroyed 100's of other Rx's? This is an open forum; all things are open to debate and questioning. You should EXPECT opinions.. More often than not, people WANT opinions.
Maybe there's more to the story, like you have a bunch of other cars, or maybe you got your car free or something... But you're right, what you do to your car is up to you, but you can't expect other people to not be concerned about what they view as a bad decision.. Like if I had a friend who had a really nice TV and he was going to hit it repeatedly with a hammer to test it's "durability", I'd do all that I could do to convince him that it's probably not worth destroying it... If he later went on to post his results about how the TV is OK even after multiple blows with a hammer, I'd still ask WHY he felt the need to hit the TV in the first place.
Thanks for sharing your results. Don't be worried what I think about you, I have no power over you..."
I understand where you're coming from dude. Thanks for taking your time to explain it. FYI, I built and paid for every cent of my 7.
It's 0 degrees celcius in Toronto right now. I just came back from dinner w/ my 7. Still starts everytime. Still running at 8psi. Still pulls strong. End of my report. (Sorry Reted I violated your forum rule again, but I really don't have hard numbers. Please forgive me.)
howi
The heater hose under the oil filter blew on him on the highway."
Hey buddy, guess what? I DON'T CARE! Freaking stop telling me the stories already!! you're the 102th. you feel better now?
I don't know you, I don't know your "customer". I don't know who built the $3000 engine. I don't know what's in the $3000 engine. I don't know who installed the engine and overlooked something as important as a heater hose (wait a minute... I think you said he was YOUR customer.... does that mean you installed it??) and... I DON"T CARE!
"I'd like to see you convince him the motor is stronger than you think..."
Hey all mighty Reted, can you listen for a second of your life? Maybe you should re-read what I wrote earlier. I'm NOT CONVINCING ANYONE! GOT IT?! Again, I reported what happened. FACTS. Clear and simple. You wanna buy it? Sure. You don't buy it? Sure.
"You either got to be really lucky or really stupid to be "BEATING' on your car on the track with no aftermarket water temp or oil temp gauges."
since when did this become a criterium to determine an individual's intelligence?
How many times have you been on a road course? How many lapping sessions have you been to? How many times have you been on a road course w/ cars other than a 7?
Go to ANY lapping sessions/events, open your freakin eyes and look around. You'll be surprise at how many people you would call "stupid" exist in this world. Not everyone has the money to have all the gauges, standalones, wideband this and that, full coilovers, roll cages, hell, not even a decent paint job. Have you heard of a term called a "track beater"? I have a team of friends who build our own cars from scratch at home, peice by peice, and hit the track w/ minimal budget. We just love to build cars. And we LOVE racing at a safe and legal place.
"Please install these gauge and give us hard numbers other than stock-gauge-hit-H-for-a-while experiences."
I'm sorry. I didn't know that I had accidentally violated rx7club.com forum rule #145 made by Reted. How about you fund my next track season and I'll report all my "hard numbers" to you? Get off your high horse and look around. Not everyone has a $20,000 show car. Not everyone has a $50,000 dyno queen. And not everyone has a $100,000 track car.
"ehh Howi, I didn't call YOU dumb, I formed an opinion based on your CHOICES and called THOSE dumb. Why would you knowingly destroy a perfectly good car, or even if it's NOT destroyed, why would you do what you know has destroyed 100's of other Rx's? This is an open forum; all things are open to debate and questioning. You should EXPECT opinions.. More often than not, people WANT opinions.
Maybe there's more to the story, like you have a bunch of other cars, or maybe you got your car free or something... But you're right, what you do to your car is up to you, but you can't expect other people to not be concerned about what they view as a bad decision.. Like if I had a friend who had a really nice TV and he was going to hit it repeatedly with a hammer to test it's "durability", I'd do all that I could do to convince him that it's probably not worth destroying it... If he later went on to post his results about how the TV is OK even after multiple blows with a hammer, I'd still ask WHY he felt the need to hit the TV in the first place.
Thanks for sharing your results. Don't be worried what I think about you, I have no power over you..."
I understand where you're coming from dude. Thanks for taking your time to explain it. FYI, I built and paid for every cent of my 7.
It's 0 degrees celcius in Toronto right now. I just came back from dinner w/ my 7. Still starts everytime. Still running at 8psi. Still pulls strong. End of my report. (Sorry Reted I violated your forum rule again, but I really don't have hard numbers. Please forgive me.)
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12-02-04, 09:14 PM
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Yo this is retarded.
I thought I was making a contribution to the community by reporting some facts that I had gathered from putting my 7 through extreme conditions. And now I feel like I have to beg some of you to listen to it.
Forget it. Some of you are just not worth any of my time. I'm out.
For the rest, please be patient and wait for Reted to report his "hard numbers."
howi
I thought I was making a contribution to the community by reporting some facts that I had gathered from putting my 7 through extreme conditions. And now I feel like I have to beg some of you to listen to it.
Forget it. Some of you are just not worth any of my time. I'm out.
For the rest, please be patient and wait for Reted to report his "hard numbers."
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12-02-04, 09:20 PM
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Hmm my old N/A engine was nearly constantly close the 'H' mark on my temp guage when I used to circuit race it.
Never had a problem with coolant..
That would've happened about 30 times i'd say?
Now running with NO coolant, thats a different ball game.
But if you still have coolant, but only its hovering around the 'H' mark then I dunno that seems like a grey area.
Myself, and now I learn Howi, hasn't had problems as much as many other people.
But I like I said, running with NO coolant (ie, split hose) is a different issue all together.
Never had a problem with coolant..
That would've happened about 30 times i'd say?
Now running with NO coolant, thats a different ball game.
But if you still have coolant, but only its hovering around the 'H' mark then I dunno that seems like a grey area.
Myself, and now I learn Howi, hasn't had problems as much as many other people.
But I like I said, running with NO coolant (ie, split hose) is a different issue all together.
12-02-04, 09:23 PM
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Hehe I just remembered what pic I have as my avatar, that is one such meeting where I split the top of my radiator in two just after running my car around the 'H' mark for a 3lap race.
Motor was perfect though..
Motor was perfect though..
12-02-04, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Howi
Hey buddy, guess what? I DON'T CARE! Freaking stop telling me the stories already!! you're the 102th. you feel better now?
I really don't care what you think about my replies, but as long as I don't violate the forums rules, I have the option to read your crap you're spewing and reply to them.
Wow, 102?
And I thought I was #2...
I don't know you, I don't know your "customer". I don't know who built the $3000 engine. I don't know what's in the $3000 engine. I don't know who installed the engine and overlooked something as important as a heater hose (wait a minute... I think you said he was YOUR customer.... does that mean you installed it??) and... I DON"T CARE!
I did not install it.
The long block was my responsibility.
The heater hose is not part of the long block.
Don't assume something when you have no clue what you're talking about.
You don't care?
My my, you like to ramble a lot for something you don't care anything about...
Hey all mighty Reted, can you listen for a second of your life? Maybe you should re-read what I wrote earlier. I'm NOT CONVINCING ANYONE! GOT IT?! Again, I reported what happened. FACTS. Clear and simple. You wanna buy it? Sure. You don't buy it? Sure.
Yes, you're reporting "FACTS" according to you...and those "FACTS" don't mean JACK unless you have an aftermarket gauge showing hard numbers for us to digest.
Buy it?
How about you stop and acknowledge that your "FACTS" are slightly misleading...see below.
since when did this become a criterium to determine an individual's intelligence?
How many times have you been on a road course? How many lapping sessions have you been to? How many times have you been on a road course w/ cars other than a 7?
How about YOU tell us YOUR background?
I can tell you that ANYONE tracking a car WITHOUT aftermarket gauges has got to be damn poor or pretty stupid.
Ask any veteran driver out there...
Go to ANY lapping sessions/events, open your freakin eyes and look around. You'll be surprise at how many people you would call "stupid" exist in this world. Not everyone has the money to have all the gauges, standalones, wideband this and that, full coilovers, roll cages, hell, not even a decent paint job. Have you heard of a term called a "track beater"? I have a team of friends who build our own cars from scratch at home, peice by peice, and hit the track w/ minimal budget. We just love to build cars. And we LOVE racing at a safe and legal place.
I've seen enough bullshit and getto rig crap on the track.
How long have YOU been doing this???
Sure, you don't NEED any of that crap, but don't be telling us the car "overheated" just because the temp gauge hit "H".
THIS is why I'm busting your *****...see below.
I'm sorry. I didn't know that I had accidentally violated rx7club.com forum rule #145 made by Reted. How about you fund my next track season and I'll report all my "hard numbers" to you? Get off your high horse and look around. Not everyone has a $20,000 show car. Not everyone has a $50,000 dyno queen. And not everyone has a $100,000 track car.
I guess you can count higher than 102?
Wow, 145...pretty amazing.
How about you get a job and work for having proper gauges in the car?
Don't be begging for welfare from my sorry *** for your laziness.
When did I say you needed a $20,000 show car?
When did I say you needed a $50,000 dyno queen?
When did I say you needed a $100,000 track car?
A VDO temp gauge is like $50 for gauge AND sender.
You can't even afford $50???
(Sorry Reted I violated your forum rule again, but I really don't have hard numbers. Please forgive me.)
You really should go back to lurk mode.
I have a controversial cooling system flush that causes the stock temp gauge to peg "H".
Does this mean I overheated the engine?
No.
Cause I happened to have an oil temp gauge installed on that particular engine at the time of the incident.
The oil temp was fine.
This means the engine was not overheated.
So, just because you seen "H" on your stock temp gauges doesn't mean jack.
It just means your coolant is getting too hot or there's bubbles in the cooling system or there is a cooling system compromise / leak.
Does your coolant getting too hot means and overheat engine?
No.
We've tracked an FC during summer in NorCal up in Thunderhill.
The Autometer water temp gauge hit 250F.
The Autometer oil temp gauge hit 240F.
This would NORMALLY kill a motor.
The engine ran fine after that abuse.
Unless I see numbers that are like the above, you can stop the sarcastic replies; they are not helping anyone - they are not impressing me - and, you think you're doing something impressive / funny.
Now try and reply with something helpful or else you're going to be #3 on my ignore list.
No, that wasn't a threat; it was a promise.
-Ted
12-02-04, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Howi
Yo this is retarded.
I thought I was making a contribution to the community by reporting some facts that I had gathered from putting my 7 through extreme conditions. And now I feel like I have to beg some of you to listen to it.
I thought I was making a contribution to the community by reporting some facts that I had gathered from putting my 7 through extreme conditions. And now I feel like I have to beg some of you to listen to it.
Forget it. Some of you are just not worth any of my time. I'm out.
-Ted
12-03-04, 02:11 AM
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"Oh, now it comes down to an old fashion resume bragging huh...
How about YOU tell us YOUR background?
I can tell you that ANYONE tracking a car WITHOUT aftermarket gauges has got to be damn poor or pretty stupid.
Ask any veteran driver out there..."
Easy tiger.... When did I ever say I'm competing w/ your experience? I was just wondering why you would make a remark like calling everyone who tracks w/o a temp gauge is stupid. Because anyone who's has been to lapping events on a regular bases knows that not nearly everyone has aftermarket gauges installed.
"A VDO temp gauge is like $50 for gauge AND sender.
You can't even afford $50???"
Sure $50 is nothing. But what about a roll cage, wideband, helmet, harness... etc. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
"I've been doing this since 1988.
I've seen enough bullshit and getto rig crap on the track."
Again, bold statements like this are offending A LOT of people. Not just me. This is what makes me wonder if you have been to the track at all. Not nearly everyone has the funds/knowledge to start racing w/ a proper car from day 1. Maybe you had to previlige/funding/luck/connections to, but not nearly everyone. The "bullshit" and "getto rig crap" you refer to can mean a lot to their owners. I've heard you brag a lot of crap about how much money you've dumped onto your T2, and belittling NA owners. Grow up.
"Wow, since when "the needle got close to 'H' on the track" anything useful???"
You're trying to convince me, and all of the rx7 community, that Mazda put a tempurature gauge in their top of the line sports car... for show? So are you saying that the tempurature gauge in our FC's, although it does not have numbers indicated beside it, is worth crap? That "H" doesn't mean anything? We've all read numerous cases where forum members have "overheated" (by the definition of our stock temp gauge) their engines and crapped out on them. All I'm saying is, that's not always the case.
"Can we get a ban for this fool?"
for what? From my understanding I did not violate any forum rules. I did not even call anyone names. What's the problem?
I'm really out this time. Only reason I posted this reply is because I was hoping that REted would get off his high horse and be more considerate of other people. Not every one of your so-called "bullshit" and "getto rig crap" owners are stupid. Not every NA owner is cheap. Grow up.
howi
How about YOU tell us YOUR background?
I can tell you that ANYONE tracking a car WITHOUT aftermarket gauges has got to be damn poor or pretty stupid.
Ask any veteran driver out there..."
Easy tiger.... When did I ever say I'm competing w/ your experience? I was just wondering why you would make a remark like calling everyone who tracks w/o a temp gauge is stupid. Because anyone who's has been to lapping events on a regular bases knows that not nearly everyone has aftermarket gauges installed.
"A VDO temp gauge is like $50 for gauge AND sender.
You can't even afford $50???"
Sure $50 is nothing. But what about a roll cage, wideband, helmet, harness... etc. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
"I've been doing this since 1988.
I've seen enough bullshit and getto rig crap on the track."
Again, bold statements like this are offending A LOT of people. Not just me. This is what makes me wonder if you have been to the track at all. Not nearly everyone has the funds/knowledge to start racing w/ a proper car from day 1. Maybe you had to previlige/funding/luck/connections to, but not nearly everyone. The "bullshit" and "getto rig crap" you refer to can mean a lot to their owners. I've heard you brag a lot of crap about how much money you've dumped onto your T2, and belittling NA owners. Grow up.
"Wow, since when "the needle got close to 'H' on the track" anything useful???"
You're trying to convince me, and all of the rx7 community, that Mazda put a tempurature gauge in their top of the line sports car... for show? So are you saying that the tempurature gauge in our FC's, although it does not have numbers indicated beside it, is worth crap? That "H" doesn't mean anything? We've all read numerous cases where forum members have "overheated" (by the definition of our stock temp gauge) their engines and crapped out on them. All I'm saying is, that's not always the case.
"Can we get a ban for this fool?"
for what? From my understanding I did not violate any forum rules. I did not even call anyone names. What's the problem?
I'm really out this time. Only reason I posted this reply is because I was hoping that REted would get off his high horse and be more considerate of other people. Not every one of your so-called "bullshit" and "getto rig crap" owners are stupid. Not every NA owner is cheap. Grow up.
howi
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12-03-04, 10:45 AM
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man you guys are all full of ****...the poor guy that started this thread just wanted to know if he could test his waterpump, and here you guys are all yelling at each other over an issue that is completely retarded anyway. yes, overheating is bad for a rotary. yes, it is possible to overheat one without blowing it. yes, it is dumb to overheat it a whole bunch of times instead of fixing whats wrong with it. yes, you guys are all smart asses.
but i bet the guy that started this (forgot his name, sorry) doesnt really give a flying rats *** about all that. if you guys wanna argue and yell and fight like a bunch of little pussies, call each other on the phone or somehting. otherwise, SHUT THE **** UP!!!
answer to this guys question:
yes, you can run the car with no coolant, but only for a very short time. if all you need to do is check and see if the waterpump spins or some **** like that, go fo rit, no harm done.
pat
but i bet the guy that started this (forgot his name, sorry) doesnt really give a flying rats *** about all that. if you guys wanna argue and yell and fight like a bunch of little pussies, call each other on the phone or somehting. otherwise, SHUT THE **** UP!!!
answer to this guys question:
yes, you can run the car with no coolant, but only for a very short time. if all you need to do is check and see if the waterpump spins or some **** like that, go fo rit, no harm done.
pat