is this a good buy???!!!.... need to know before its gone
02-03-08, 04:59 AM
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is this a good buy???!!!.... need to know before its gone
i have an 86 n/a with a hooped motor and trans, i found a 13b RE TT for $1,100 with out ecu or wiring harness, i am in west canada(vancouver) and it is in toronto(which is closer than japan so im happy) what d[/IMG]o you think guys??????http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...QAdIdZ27902973
02-03-08, 12:15 PM
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If you do it yourself it will run you around 4k for a bare minimum install
$1100 for the motor
$1000ish for a standalone/harness ect
FMIC and custom piping could run you $500 on the cheap end
if your trans is bad and your replacing it you should change the whole tii driveline which will cost you around $600 plus the flywheel and clutch
then you have the mounting brackets which are around $250 IIRC from banzai racing
plus all the misc crap I cant remember.
If you want, go to fc3spro.com, they have a writeup about this swap, they show you the expensive proper way but still give good info.
$1100 for the motor
$1000ish for a standalone/harness ect
FMIC and custom piping could run you $500 on the cheap end
if your trans is bad and your replacing it you should change the whole tii driveline which will cost you around $600 plus the flywheel and clutch
then you have the mounting brackets which are around $250 IIRC from banzai racing
plus all the misc crap I cant remember.
If you want, go to fc3spro.com, they have a writeup about this swap, they show you the expensive proper way but still give good info.
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02-03-08, 12:38 PM
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okay, that sounds reasonable, the engine comes with a new trans, resurfaced flywheel and a new clutch. i have been contemplating about the purchase, only because i found an 88 tII, the engine is imported, and when it was dropped in the guys couldnt get it to start, any one know why that might be, im thinking something silly because the engine is bran new
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02-03-08, 01:22 PM
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Another $1000 for a front mount intercooler setup.
$4000 for a single turbo kit.
$500 for fuel pump, lines, etc.
$500-$800 for a half decent exhaust
$500 for TII drivetrain
$500 or so for clutch
$1000 for other misc expenses (gauges, etc.)
You can save some money by running the stock twin turbos in parallel form but the FD twin turbos are junk. They are probably worn on most used 13B-REWs out there and will need a rebuild/replacement.
Oh, and if you can't tune then figure another $500-$800 in tuning and dyno time.
02-03-08, 01:45 PM
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see frank, this is why i mentioned in your other thread that you should pull the motor apart of your current car because doing *any* motor swap that's not 86-88 n/a will end up costing more than you want to spend.
02-04-08, 10:23 AM
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not to be an *** but where are you guys buying your parts for them to be that expensive? 4k for a single turbo? if i were to spend that much money on just an install i wouldn't have a car or that engine in my car, cause you are not even talking about rebuilding the engine. wow
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Yea, I dont get the 4000$ for the single turbo also...
Single turbo - I dont knwo FDs at all but I would assume something like a Garret GT45? - 850$ to 1000$
Exhaust manifild - 350$
Elbow or down pipe - 300$
2x720cc injectors - 300$
Where does the extra 2200$ come from?
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Single turbo - I dont knwo FDs at all but I would assume something like a Garret GT45? - 850$ to 1000$
Exhaust manifild - 350$
Elbow or down pipe - 300$
2x720cc injectors - 300$
Where does the extra 2200$ come from?
Spec.
02-04-08, 11:05 AM
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not to be an *** but where are you guys buying your parts for them to be that expensive? 4k for a single turbo? if i were to spend that much money on just an install i wouldn't have a car or that engine in my car, cause you are not even talking about rebuilding the engine. wow
http://www.speedmachineperformance.c...0kit%2035r.htm
$4199 US (so maybe $3500 Canadian?).
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/me...egory_Code=GRT
$2950 US.
Exhaust manifild - 350$
Elbow or down pipe - 300$
2x720cc injectors - 300$
Where does the extra 2200$ come from?
Spec.
Spec.
Best make that between $15K and $17K if you want to run the GT45.
Oh, and the GT45 will shred the TII drivetrain very easily...
02-04-08, 01:50 PM
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Ah, RE. I thought I saw a "W" there.
Still, most of what I said applies. While the TII ECU will run the thing, it's not a very good idea to do so. Fewer issues with the twin turbos of course, but the Cosmo ECU expects to see an automatic transmission which requires some hacking to fool.
Almost the same issues as the REW.
Still, most of what I said applies. While the TII ECU will run the thing, it's not a very good idea to do so. Fewer issues with the twin turbos of course, but the Cosmo ECU expects to see an automatic transmission which requires some hacking to fool.
Almost the same issues as the REW.
02-04-08, 02:38 PM
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Ah, RE. I thought I saw a "W" there.
Still, most of what I said applies. While the TII ECU will run the thing, it's not a very good idea to do so. Fewer issues with the twin turbos of course, but the Cosmo ECU expects to see an automatic transmission which requires some hacking to fool.
Almost the same issues as the REW.
Still, most of what I said applies. While the TII ECU will run the thing, it's not a very good idea to do so. Fewer issues with the twin turbos of course, but the Cosmo ECU expects to see an automatic transmission which requires some hacking to fool.
Almost the same issues as the REW.
02-04-08, 03:18 PM
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So, to sum it up....on your budget (not much, I think, but you didn't give any real #'s to work with on the other thread), no, it's not a good buy. What you need to do is tear apart the motor that's already in there and replace only the parts that aren't any good anymore and stick it back in. You'll still have a blast driving this thing w/the stock motor. Yes, it's only ~140hp, but it's a 2700lb car, and it's made to be fun to drive!! 
Just fix the current motor and do the necessary tune/check-up's to make it a fun DD for now.
At least, that's what I plan on doing (in addition to a streetport and exhaust work), and I think we're on similar budgets (shoestrings
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Just fix the current motor and do the necessary tune/check-up's to make it a fun DD for now.At least, that's what I plan on doing (in addition to a streetport and exhaust work), and I think we're on similar budgets (shoestrings
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02-05-08, 10:30 AM
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ARGHX, i'm not sure if the setup that i have in one of my car is a full single turbo setup with supporting mods, but it includes, ss autochrome manifold with Holset HX55 which has not cracked yet for over 2 years, modified using 2 turbonetics wastegates, Wolf3D V4 ems, 2 walbrow intank pumps, aeromotive fpr, 4 1600cc injectors, tial 50mm bov, custom intake and intercooler(which came from a semi truck like the turbo), 5 inch downpipe to 4 inch exhaust, gauges, innovate LM1 and LMA3, and more to list.
AARON, like one of the guys said, he wanted to intall the engine in his car he didn't say anything about making 600hp. i'm sure he can use the stock twins until he sees the need for more power, and i'm sure a walbrow pump is good enough fuel for a stock engine. now when he is ready to upgrade then it can get expensive.
AARON, like one of the guys said, he wanted to intall the engine in his car he didn't say anything about making 600hp. i'm sure he can use the stock twins until he sees the need for more power, and i'm sure a walbrow pump is good enough fuel for a stock engine. now when he is ready to upgrade then it can get expensive.
