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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 06:13 PM
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Fuel Cut Defensor

I'm trying to decide whether or not to put one in. I already have one, and i've asked someone whether or not I should; but I want to double check.

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FCD:


Where it goes and intake:



I Bought the car with these mods:

Intake & K&N Filter
BOV: Brand Unknown
3'' Single downpipe with Cat and 5Zigen muffler
These probalby dont matter but: New Flywheel, stage 2 clutch, wheels and tires.

I'm running 10 psi, I've got a stock turbo, and I'm about to install a boost guage too.


I want to know if you guys think its safe for me to install the FCD.

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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 07:05 PM
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 08:22 PM
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Re: Fuel Cut Defensor

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I'm running 10 psi...
Then you already have a FCD somewhere, probably wired in at the ECU.
I'm about to install a boost guage too.
So how do you know you're running 10psi?
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 08:26 PM
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I tested it out to see if it worked, and it maxed out at 10 psi..

Another question/problem: At about 5-6000 rpm, my psi reading drops from 10 to 9.

I know its running higher than stock psi, but its because I have an exhaust. At least, thats what my brother tells me.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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the reading of 9 as you approach redline is probably correct. The stock turbine simply cannot keep that much pressure at that RPM. You are going to have a slight drop in most cases on the stock turbo is you are boosting more than stock.

Your brother is correct, you are running higher than stock psi because of the exhaust and intake.

Running 10 psi I would say its not safe to run the car WITHOUT the FCD. You should have hit fuel cut by now...
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by PureSephiroth
Running 10 psi I would say its not safe to run the car WITHOUT the FCD.
You can't run over 8.6psi without an FCD, so he either has one or his gauge reads high.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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Well, my brother says its not normal or okay that its dropping down..

He says its either because the CPU is limiting it, or it needs more fuel. (It should be able to run around 20 psi, he says).

Why do you think the FCD would make it safer?
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by RyoFC3S
Why do you think the FCD would make it safer?
Because without a fuel cut interupter you will hit fuel cut above 8.6psi.
This is bad.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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I am so confused.. Why is this bad??

I'm running 10 psi without fuel cut. I was asking because someone told me if i hit 12-14 psi i could damage my turbo or engine.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 11:33 PM
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Like has been said before already, if your actually running 10psi then you must already have a FCD, or worse, your boost sensor isn't working properly.

12-14 is where you will start running out of fuel and killing your turbo by over revving it.

Hitting any sort of fuel cut is baaad mmmkay, especially while under boost, also if im not mistaken fuel is only cut to the rear rotor not the front, this is also bad.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by RyoFC3S
Well, my brother says its not normal or okay that its dropping down..
It is perfectly normal behaviour for the stock turbo on nearly every turbo'd car. If you think of a pump pushing water, as flow increases you have to push harder and harder to maintain the same pressure. When you reach a certain point the pump (or turbo)
can't push hard enough to do that, so the pressure begins to fall even though flow is still increasing.
He says its either because the CPU is limiting it...
The S5 does have electronic boost control, but it's not that sophisticated.
...or it needs more fuel.
No, if it runs lean it actually runs better up to the point where detonation occurs. Then the engine goes pop...
It should be able to run around 20 psi, he says
Bollocks. Few stock turbos can push 20psi, and cetainly not ones from the 80's. Even if it did, it would be only briefly, as detonation would be certain.
Why do you think the FCD would make it safer?
It doesn't, it just avoids the fuel cut. In fact it allows you to push the boost to dangerous levels, so it should be used with caution.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 02:38 AM
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In short what NZconvertable just posted is exactly what I told you and your brother. Are you happy with a second oppinion now? just about every point I tried to make with you and Jeremy he just reinforced.

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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:16 PM
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Well, my answer still hasn't been answered. Do I or do I not put in the FCD? :P
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by RyoFC3S
Well, my answer still hasn't been answered. Do I or do I not put in the FCD? :P
OK, but first tell us what you think an FCD does.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:32 PM
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Oh, but the answer has been read by you several times I think.

NZConvertible
Then you already have a FCD somewhere, probably wired in at the ECU.
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You can't run over 8.6psi without an FCD, so he either has one or his gauge reads high.
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Like has been said before already, if your actually running 10psi then you must already have a FCD, or worse, your boost sensor isn't working properly.
So, you tell me whether you question has been answered. And just so you know, if your factory boost guage goes up pretty high, then the boost sensor works fine.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:34 PM
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Aww you spoilt it fstrnyou i was waiting for him to reply to Evil Aviator first before i did that...

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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:35 PM
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AWW dam, i was doing all that while evil posted his thing. oh well, it's not his fault he's ignorant.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by RyoFC3S
Well, my answer still hasn't been answered.
You can't be serious...
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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then again, maybe it is his fault. some people don't take the time to educate themselves and just spit off questions without doing any research.
and why the hell are these servers slow. i have to wait 3 minutes for my reply to go through
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:45 PM
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The answer is this if your gage is correct and you do hit 10 PSI while driving the car then NO because you have FCD already somewhere or your fuel cut is not working properly (I've never heard of the last one though). But if your gage lies and you are not hitting above 8.6 PSI then YES install FCD and replace the gage too. That is assuming that you tested the turbo by driving the car and mesuring the boost.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:46 PM
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man i was too late
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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Aww you spoilt it fstrnyou i was waiting for him to reply to Evil Aviator first before i did that...

hehe.
We need him to shift into active mode, guys. He isn't going to understand what is going on if he keeps waiting to be spoonfed. Once he answers my question, things will be more clear.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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I am very aware of what a FCD does. I know what i'm doing.

I'm not an ******* idiot. I made this thread to make sure that I wasn't going to blow up my engine or turbo- so don't act like I did this because I was lazy. I already had an opinion. I was just double checking.

I'm glad you guys are so friendly.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by RyoFC3S
I am very aware of what a FCD does. I know what i'm doing.

I'm not an ******* idiot. I made this thread to make sure that I wasn't going to blow up my engine or turbo- so don't act like I did this because I was lazy. I already had an opinion. I was just double checking.

I'm glad you guys are so friendly.


DUDE! i'm sorry you quite obviously did/do NOT know what a FCD does!

If you were/are running 10PSI then you already have one. So, do you need another one? No.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by RyoFC3S
I am very aware of what a FCD does. I know what i'm doing.

I'm not an ******* idiot. I made this thread to make sure that I wasn't going to blow up my engine or turbo- so don't act like I did this because I was lazy. I already had an opinion. I was just double checking.

I'm glad you guys are so friendly.
You are missing the point here. We have no idea what you know and don't know, but it is obvious that you are not understanding what has been said in this thread. If you tell us what you think an FCD does, then we can understand where you are coming from, and can then help you. Simply stating that you know what it does is not an indication of your thought process. If you really knew what an FCD does, you wouldn't have asked the question in the first place, right? We are not idiots, either. Well, not completely idiots, anyway.

Simply stated: It doesn't matter how well you understand the FCD, just tell us what you think it does.
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