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05-13-05, 01:17 AM
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Forum Member/ Roto Gurus help
Questions:
1) Can I plug a S5 into a S4 ECU and wiring harness?
2) Should I get a S4?
3) Should I get a S4 with a S5 exhaust manifold & turbo?
4) Whats involved with replacing the water/oil seals. Compression is guaranteed but what if the seals are bad?
Roto Gurus help?
Im thinking of putting a JDM in my 87 T2.
Flame me if you want, I don't care as long as someone knowledgable with experience sets me on the correct path.
1) Can I plug a S5 into a S4 ECU and wiring harness?
2) Should I get a S4?
3) Should I get a S4 with a S5 exhaust manifold & turbo?
4) Whats involved with replacing the water/oil seals. Compression is guaranteed but what if the seals are bad?
Roto Gurus help?
Im thinking of putting a JDM in my 87 T2.
Flame me if you want, I don't care as long as someone knowledgable with experience sets me on the correct path.
05-13-05, 01:20 AM
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you may find this helpful. http://www.jaked.org/8ball.html?
05-13-05, 01:20 AM
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you will need to swap out the indash harness (pita). the ecu plugs on s4 and s5 are different. replacing seals requires you to tear the engine down and rebuild it. if you are going to plug and play, the manifolds don't really make all that much difference.
05-13-05, 01:49 AM
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1) Can I plug a S5 into a S4 ECU and wiring harness?
No.
2) Should I get a S4?
Yes.
3) Should I get a S4 with a S5 exhaust manifold & turbo?
If you want, nothing really special about the s5, just port your s4 wastegate and you're just as good.
4) Whats involved with replacing the water/oil seals. Compression is guaranteed but what if the seals are bad?
Pretty much a rebuild, even if the apex seals/etc are all good, it's best just to replace it all while it's open.
5) Im thinking of putting a JDM in my 87 T2.
Is this because your current engine is dead? Why not rebuild that one? The JDM one serves no purpose other than being a complete engine readily available.
No.
2) Should I get a S4?
Yes.
3) Should I get a S4 with a S5 exhaust manifold & turbo?
If you want, nothing really special about the s5, just port your s4 wastegate and you're just as good.
4) Whats involved with replacing the water/oil seals. Compression is guaranteed but what if the seals are bad?
Pretty much a rebuild, even if the apex seals/etc are all good, it's best just to replace it all while it's open.
5) Im thinking of putting a JDM in my 87 T2.
Is this because your current engine is dead? Why not rebuild that one? The JDM one serves no purpose other than being a complete engine readily available.
05-13-05, 03:05 AM
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After doing the mod im sure others will agree if your motor is in good condition right now talk to SonicRat about his NA turbo kits being that the turbo is what your after. There is a chance you get a good JDM engin but personaly I feel I should have listend to evryone ells and not get into the posible headach and get a rebuilt USD engin you know is good from like "kevin landers - http://www.rotaryresurrection.com " Insted of rolling the dice.
I balive the S4 13bT has lower compreshion than the S5 and will swap much easyer then a S5 will for you.
I balive the S4 13bT has lower compreshion than the S5 and will swap much easyer then a S5 will for you.
05-13-05, 03:16 AM
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I think he's got a TII already and is just considering putting a JDM engine in, which leads me to believe either A) it's blown or B) he thinks the JDM engine is better? But, as you said, if it is blown, getting it rebuilt for the cost of a jspec is the best bet (if it is a tII engine, at least), no guess work required!
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05-13-05, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dr.jones63
1) Can I plug a S5 into a S4 ECU and wiring harness?
Why would you want to do that???
With no OMP, the S5 stock ECU will go into limp-home mode and have crappy power.
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05-13-05, 03:27 AM
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Wow, i read that wrong, I thought he meant a s5 ecu into a s4 harness or something, lol. Thanks for the requote Ted, wouldn't have noticed!
Back to question #1: (if you mean plug a s5 engine into a s4 harness/ecu, otherwise, follow previous answers, lol)
Simple answer, no.
Long answer I don't feel like discussing, yes. (think intake swap, front cover swap, injector swap, etc)
Back to question #1: (if you mean plug a s5 engine into a s4 harness/ecu, otherwise, follow previous answers, lol)
Simple answer, no.
Long answer I don't feel like discussing, yes. (think intake swap, front cover swap, injector swap, etc)
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Originally Posted by RETed
NO.
Why would you want to do that???
With no OMP, the S5 stock ECU will go into limp-home mode and have crappy power.
-Ted
Why would you want to do that???
With no OMP, the S5 stock ECU will go into limp-home mode and have crappy power.
-Ted
05-13-05, 04:03 AM
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Hard to say...
I just reread it three times, and it could mean either.
I assumed it's S5 ECU into S4 harness.
The engine doesn't matter.
Even vice versa, the engine harness cannot plug into an ECU that is not the same group - i.e. S4 versus S5.
If you looked at the connectors, you'll understand why.
-Ted
I just reread it three times, and it could mean either.
I assumed it's S5 ECU into S4 harness.
The engine doesn't matter.
Even vice versa, the engine harness cannot plug into an ECU that is not the same group - i.e. S4 versus S5.
If you looked at the connectors, you'll understand why.
-Ted
05-13-05, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Hard to say...
I just reread it three times, and it could mean either.
I assumed it's S5 ECU into S4 harness.
The engine doesn't matter.
Even vice versa, the engine harness cannot plug into an ECU that is not the same group - i.e. S4 versus S5.
If you looked at the connectors, you'll understand why.
-Ted
I just reread it three times, and it could mean either.
I assumed it's S5 ECU into S4 harness.
The engine doesn't matter.
Even vice versa, the engine harness cannot plug into an ECU that is not the same group - i.e. S4 versus S5.
If you looked at the connectors, you'll understand why.
-Ted
05-13-05, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Impreza2RX7
He stated an S4 ECU also..
1) Can I plug a S5 into a S4 ECU and wiring harness?
..."into a"...
"S4 ECU" - ok, pretty obvious
"and wiring harness" - I guess this is where the confusion is...the typical would be to assume it's an (S4) "wiring harness" also
More confusing are the initial words "Can I plug..." - this would normally imply something electrical or mechanical coupling.
More accurately, I think it would've been better to ask "Can I install an S4 ECU and S4 wiring harness on an S5 engine?"
That would've made it easier.
Excuse my rambling... :P
-Ted
05-13-05, 10:26 AM
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What he said.
I have a 87 T2, 99k miles, with absolutly no compression on the front rotor. I think all the apex seals, front housing, front rotor and turbo need repair/replaced.
Being the typical cheap 2nd gen owner It seems alot cheaper to get a good Jspec and repace the water seals.
I was wondering about installing a S5 using my S4 harness and ECU just because S5s are a little newer and I've heard the odds of getting a good S5 JDM are better.
I have a 87 T2, 99k miles, with absolutly no compression on the front rotor. I think all the apex seals, front housing, front rotor and turbo need repair/replaced.
Being the typical cheap 2nd gen owner It seems alot cheaper to get a good Jspec and repace the water seals.
I was wondering about installing a S5 using my S4 harness and ECU just because S5s are a little newer and I've heard the odds of getting a good S5 JDM are better.
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05-13-05, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.jones63
I have also heard that the S5 OMP defaults to pump at its highest rate if its not conected to a S5 ECU, if so that should not be an issue.
05-13-05, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.jones63
I have also heard that the S5 OMP defaults to pump at its highest rate if its not conected to a S5 ECU, if so that should not be an issue.
05-13-05, 02:01 PM
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I was thinking of that, but a rotary mechanic told me I didn't need too. Mabey I do. Another rotary mechanic told me it defaulted to %50, too high at idle and too low at WOT.
(Just like the mechanic I asked to use a S4 front cover on my rebuild to go with my lt8s standalone told me he would and then made my lt8s a piggyback and left the S5 cover on, but that is another issue and my other car).
(Just like the mechanic I asked to use a S4 front cover on my rebuild to go with my lt8s standalone told me he would and then made my lt8s a piggyback and left the S5 cover on, but that is another issue and my other car).
05-13-05, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.jones63
I was thinking of that, but a rotary mechanic told me I didn't need too. Mabey I do. Another rotary mechanic told me it defaulted to %50, too high at idle and too low at WOT.
(Just like the mechanic I asked to use a S4 front cover on my rebuild to go with my lt8s standalone told me he would and then made my lt8s a piggyback and left the S5 cover on, but that is another issue and my other car).
(Just like the mechanic I asked to use a S4 front cover on my rebuild to go with my lt8s standalone told me he would and then made my lt8s a piggyback and left the S5 cover on, but that is another issue and my other car).
lt8's as a piggy back??? IF the motor is in the car already, the easiest way is to block of the omp and run premix. Or youll have to remove the oil pan bolts along with water pumphousing and alternator
05-13-05, 03:24 PM
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Im not trying or wanting to premix. And yes the lt8s install on my 89 is hosed. It was done by Hayes. Thats another issue. Im just trying to formulate a plan to fix my 87 here.
05-14-05, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Hmmm...
"a S5" - assuming (S5 engine)?
..."into a"...
"S4 ECU" - ok, pretty obvious
"and wiring harness" - I guess this is where the confusion is...the typical would be to assume it's an (S4) "wiring harness" also
More confusing are the initial words "Can I plug..." - this would normally imply something electrical or mechanical coupling.
More accurately, I think it would've been better to ask "Can I install an S4 ECU and S4 wiring harness on an S5 engine?"
That would've made it easier.
Excuse my rambling... :P
-Ted
"a S5" - assuming (S5 engine)?
..."into a"...
"S4 ECU" - ok, pretty obvious
"and wiring harness" - I guess this is where the confusion is...the typical would be to assume it's an (S4) "wiring harness" also
More confusing are the initial words "Can I plug..." - this would normally imply something electrical or mechanical coupling.
More accurately, I think it would've been better to ask "Can I install an S4 ECU and S4 wiring harness on an S5 engine?"
That would've made it easier.
Excuse my rambling... :P
-Ted
Remove front housing off S4 core and put on S5
Remove UIM & throttle body off S4 core and put on S5 - low impedance injectors
Parts needed = front cover & UIM gaskets, plus high temp gasket sealer for oil pan. Clutch, pilot berring, pressure plate. Port WG. Remove air pump and ACV.
Im still not sure if there's an issue with connecting the S4 tranny to the S5 engine.
05-14-05, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dr.jones63
Ok, Im getting a S5. I know it hurts for the "pro" to condesend and give a straight answer but can someone tell if I'm doing this right?
Remove front housing off S4 core and put on S5
Remove UIM & throttle body off S4 core and put on S5 - low impedance injectors
Parts needed = front cover & UIM gaskets, plus high temp gasket sealer for oil pan. Clutch, pilot berring, pressure plate. Port WG. Remove air pump and ACV.
Im still not sure if there's an issue with connecting the S4 tranny to the S5 engine.
Remove front housing off S4 core and put on S5
Remove UIM & throttle body off S4 core and put on S5 - low impedance injectors
Parts needed = front cover & UIM gaskets, plus high temp gasket sealer for oil pan. Clutch, pilot berring, pressure plate. Port WG. Remove air pump and ACV.
Im still not sure if there's an issue with connecting the S4 tranny to the S5 engine.