FD3S UIM adapter
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Hey i know that for while that some people were looking for the UIM adapter for these cars. I happened to have one from my old car that i was thinking of having a shop duplicate. Does anyone still make these things.:nod: Any information you guys have would help.
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you should toss that out in the trash.. By the way when is Garbage day around your house?..(mwuhahhahahhaaa!!!!!!) Seriously these things should be made in bulk because lately the threads about them are like flies on poop! Make it..they will hummmm! |
I will start an 8nterest thread to see if people want in on them
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They will. Just start making them now lol
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There's another guy on this forum who claims to be making one, but gets bent out of shape when people remind him that several brands sold this product for half of what he's proposing to charge, so I doubt he'll make it off the ground with that attitude. There's certainly a small market for this. |
hmm..solution..
Hole saw..Jig Saw...drill..and Daniel with a 12 pack..:lol: |
I can definitely have them duplicated with but I would STRONGLY advise to not use an orange setup. The chances of an oring falling down into the intake runners is just too high. I'm thinking about starting up an interest thread. I'm willing to pay for a batch on my own I just want to make sure people want them. I don't think they will be as cheap in a smaller batch.
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I thought i read a thread that said the HP gain is minimal, like 2 hp or something...
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Originally Posted by antnicuk
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here it is,
there are 3 runs the top run which is pink is a year old, it was my old engine with low comp rotors and a GT35/40, 0.96 turbine housing small street port, The middle run which is red is my new engine with FD rotorsand the FC UIM with a large street port (huge) same turbo but with a 1.15 exhaust housing both T4 flange. The black run is with the FD UIM on the new engine. The old run may have been a slightly higher boost but the two new engine runs are a touch under 1 bar, about 13.5 - 14 psi. I now need to try and figure out why both engines hit 350 bhp and stop, although the new engine makes it a lot earlier. The graphs are very similar considering the porting is much different and the turbine housing is different and the rotors are different. (its actually a completely different block) I have plenty fueling, only hitting 74% duty cycle. The only thing that is the same is the intercooler whic the tuner thinks maybe restrictive. What do you think? BHP and torque, both rear wheel figures. http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...icuk/dyno2.jpg |
Yeah but fd UIM looks way better... that's one reason I'm sure some people do it.
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Originally Posted by Fuhnortoner
(Post 12052032)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...a4a844c11e.jpg |
Originally Posted by AaronJ
(Post 12052026)
I can definitely have them duplicated with but I would STRONGLY advise to not use an orange setup. The chances of an oring falling down into the intake runners is just too high. I'm thinking about starting up an interest thread. I'm willing to pay for a batch on my own I just want to make sure people want them. I don't think they will be as cheap in a smaller batch.
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So before i order a batch I want to see who all is actually interested in maybe getting one? I cant discuss pricing or anything like that but if you thin you want and could afford one based off previous market values then let me know.
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Originally Posted by GrossPolluter
(Post 12052159)
I actually like the o ring idea . It cancels out the differences in bolt patterns and gasket sealing differences. I'm sure some people are running factory gaskets thinner than they should. It would suck if an o ring went into the engine. I guess you would have to be extra careful on instalation
The second thing that concerns me is that high quality o-rings are not "readily" available to most people depending on location however i have not done enough research to know if orings at places like oreillys and auto zone would be up to the task. |
The old RisingRPM setup used eccentric bolts which basically moved to allow you to slap the pieces together since the bolt patterns were slightly different.
This setup allowed you to use the FD on top and the FC Gasket on the bottom. Since the holes on the bottom of the spacer were slightly larger to accommodate the eccentric bolt it allowed the correct bolt spacing of the lower manifold and then it transitioned to the FD up top. There is another 2 tier adapter that allows the parts to be slapped together as the flanges at the top and bottom are made to fit each different manifold. I honestly liked the RisingRPM spacer..(before it went extinct).I should have kept mine. I wouldn't like the O-Ring idea..it just making a simple part more complicated to manufacture. |
is this like the rising rpm one? where is that circle with offset studs?
for s5 lim to s6 uim, right? thickness? |
I believe the difference between the is somewhere around .030 in. To lower cost i would just provide each adapter with bolts for the s4 and s5 LIM. It would cost a little more but make things super easy for me and the machine guy.
This design is very similar to the rising rpm one utilizing the offset bolts. |
Those dyno charts demonstrate exactly what Mazda set out to achieve with the FD intake manifold - increased mid-range rpm torque through the dynamic effect pressure waves. This is documented in a SAE paper I read years ago.
RaceCast here in Melbourne, Australia has designed and made a 13B-REW LIM to s4/5 block adapter. As part of the adapter, it shapes the steep FD LIM runners to run more horizontally into the block, thereby solving the limitations of the standard FD setup. Check it out: Series 6 13B intake adapter plate This in combination with an Xcessive LIM and you have the best of both worlds. |
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hey it's only 385 bucks! adapters..for Everyone..(Wut???) |
Originally Posted by KYPREO
Those dyno charts demonstrate exactly what Mazda set out to achieve with the FD intake manifold - increased mid-range rpm torque through the dynamic effect pressure waves. This is documented in a SAE paper I read years ago.
RaceCast here in Melbourne, Australia has designed and made a 13B-REW LIM to s4/5 block adapter. As part of the adapter, it shapes the steep FD LIM runners to run more horizontally into the block, thereby solving the limitations of the standard FD setup. Check it out: Series 6 13B intake adapter plate This in combination with an Xcessive LIM and you have the best of both worlds. The only issue I see with that is how that affects clearance with most turbo manifolds, not always enough room to accommodate that step. |
Originally Posted by misterstyx69
(Post 12052220)
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hey it's only 385 bucks! adapters..for Everyone..(Wut???) The other UIM adapter is made by Reaction Racing in Japan. Very nice quality unit with perfect match porting but this will cost you even more. I'm not convinced turbo clearance will be an issue as the extra thickness of the adapter is partly made up by the fact the FD LIM is steeper doesn't stick out from the engine as far. We'll see when i fit mine. |
Another thing you have to factor in the cost of UIM and LIM. An xcessive lim alone is 535 plus the adapter 300plus UIM and throttle body 350. It becomes a 1200 dollar mod quickly.
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Might as well buy a rew
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So it seems like this is dying off so I'm assuming that no one wants these
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Originally Posted by AaronJ
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So it seems like this is dying off so I'm assuming that no one wants these
At least a lot of rotary people are into engines. Just make a small batch and see how it goes. My next fc part will just be for myself and close friends. It's not worth the time to sell to normal street drivers imo. Not worth it to buy it if your a street driver. |
Originally Posted by AaronJ
(Post 12052729)
So it seems like this is dying off so I'm assuming that no one wants these
Didn't you only ask about this a couple days ago..now you're gonna toss in the towel? Here..let's BUMP this..so you can get some steam! (if not I can toss it to a "guy I know" and he may be interested in producing them.) |
Originally Posted by GrossPolluter
(Post 12052911)
I think it's more of a cost thing. FC people don't have a much as fd people. I made a part for fcs, roll center correction, most people don't want to spend the money in it, even though you spent a good amount of time, design, knowledge into it. I hate to say it, but it's a dieing market. Over everything I just said, you need to be a 13bt owner with stand or ability to switch to a potentiometer, throttle elbow, cable, modified intake tube, ect ect. I would love a 13b rew uim, efr turbo for that added response, but owning a financial crisis just makes you want a financial disaster when you can afford it. Most budget guys are going to want that journal bearing high hp dyno queen over a better handling car with awesome response.
At least a lot of rotary people are into engines. Just make a small batch and see how it goes. My next fc part will just be for myself and close friends. It's not worth the time to sell to normal street drivers imo. Not worth it to buy it if your a street driver. |
I purchased an REW upper with TB, iacv, and tps just before RisingRPM went out of business. Now I have a paper weight laying around, an adapter like his would be great to have available again.
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Originally Posted by misterstyx69
(Post 12053102)
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Didn't you only ask about this a couple days ago..now you're gonna toss in the towel? Here..let's BUMP this..so you can get some steam! (if not I can toss it to a "guy I know" and he may be interested in producing them.)
Originally Posted by SpikeDerailed
(Post 12053250)
I purchased an REW upper with TB, iacv, and tps just before RisingRPM went out of business. Now I have a paper weight laying around, an adapter like his would be great to have available again.
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I am on board , I will put my name on a list
What's your price point |
Per forum rules I can't discuss price but it's safe to assume it will be close to the original price ranges 150ish maybe a little more
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Originally Posted by AaronJ
(Post 12053518)
Per forum rules I can't discuss price but it's safe to assume it will be close to the original price ranges 150ish maybe a little more
Guys can PM you and discuss Details. It may be a little tedious But honestly if you are only making a small quantity it will offset the costs of a vendor account..although a Vendor account gets you your own Section and you can advertise within the Forum rather freely. (I may be a MOD but I am also a Member and Cheap ass FC owner..haha!) |
Haha I got you guys lol. I placed an order to have 15 made. Paid out of my own pocket so hopefully you guys need them.
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Originally Posted by AaronJ
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Haha I got you guys lol. I placed an order to have 15 made. Paid out of my own pocket so hopefully you guys need them.
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Originally Posted by AaronJ
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put your name on the list man and ill get you one.
Originally Posted by AaronJ
(Post 12052161)
So before i order a batch I want to see who all is actually interested in maybe getting one? I cant discuss pricing or anything like that but if you thin you want and could afford one based off previous market values then let me know.
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Where's the pic's?
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Originally Posted by TonyD89
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Where's the pic's?
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1. SpikeDerailed
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That midrange is tempting.... Can i just have the CAD?:nod:
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I do have solid works but since I had one to duplicate it was much easier to pay them to scan it. So I do not "own" the cad file. I could pay for it but naaaaa.
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Honestly if you send it to me i can scan it and give you a polygonal model.... then we both win!
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Please answer the following Questions;
1) Are you using offset bolts similar to those Risign RPM used? You discussed it and said it would be similar. The end goal for most people is to NOT have to modify the UIM to match the bolt pattern. (I know it is grinding a little bit and ovalling the whole but alot of people are opposed to this) 2) Are the runners going to be port matched to the S5 Lower Intake manifold and the S6- FD upper intake manifold? they have a slight taper. 3) Are you planning to offer it in a finish or just bare metal? I would suggest bare metal to keep costs down, if people want to annodize them, or paint them... have at it... but lets be honest the UIM is Cast AL, and so is the LIM... leave it bare metal. If the answer to all three of the above I am definitely in I would pay as much as say 200 US (more than this I can manufacture them myself for a days labour about the same equivalent to $200 US) I can live without port matching and simply match them myself, once again if the price is right. |
The adapter will come with adapter bolts for both s4 and s5 uims
they will port matched and taperd They will be hard anodized in clear or black to help protect the aluminum. The cost is difference negligible in large orders. I paid for 15 to be made. Price point should be coming in a at a little lower than what your thinking. As of right now we are looking at a 2-3 week ETA. This is a SOFT ETA as I am not sure how long anodize will take Anyone 75% sure they want one please feel free to offer you opinion on colors. The whole batch will be one color. I was thinking clear or black would be the easiest.
Originally Posted by jreynish
(Post 12056894)
Please answer the following Questions;
1) Are you using offset bolts similar to those Risign RPM used? You discussed it and said it would be similar. The end goal for most people is to NOT have to modify the UIM to match the bolt pattern. (I know it is grinding a little bit and ovalling the whole but alot of people are opposed to this) 2) Are the runners going to be port matched to the S5 Lower Intake manifold and the S6- FD upper intake manifold? they have a slight taper. 3) Are you planning to offer it in a finish or just bare metal? I would suggest bare metal to keep costs down, if people want to annodize them, or paint them... have at it... but lets be honest the UIM is Cast AL, and so is the LIM... leave it bare metal. If the answer to all three of the above I am definitely in I would pay as much as say 200 US (more than this I can manufacture them myself for a days labour about the same equivalent to $200 US) I can live without port matching and simply match them myself, once again if the price is right. |
Originally Posted by AaronJ
(Post 12056953)
protect the aluminum.
if you're not going to listen to us, your customers?, then im ok dont count on me buying one with some coating.. what the hell you think it needs protection from?? |
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Originally Posted by misterstyx69
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HEY...LASTPHASE...
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Originally Posted by fc323
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F-bomb? ....This isnt elementary is it?
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Originally Posted by AaronJ
(Post 12056953)
The adapter will come with adapter bolts for both s4 and s5 uims
they will port matched and taperd They will be hard anodized in clear or black to help protect the aluminum. The cost is difference negligible in large orders. I paid for 15 to be made. Price point should be coming in a at a little lower than what your thinking. As of right now we are looking at a 2-3 week ETA. This is a SOFT ETA as I am not sure how long anodize will take Anyone 75% sure they want one please feel free to offer you opinion on colors. The whole batch will be one color. I was thinking clear or black would be the easiest. 1. SpikeDerailed 2. lastphaseofthis 3.jreynish 4. 5. |
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