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Old Jan 2, 2014 | 08:53 PM
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It actually happened to me on 2 brand new cars
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Old Oct 15, 2014 | 11:35 PM
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I Have A Pair On My Car Only Issue Was The Calipers Was Rubbing On in Inside Of My Wheels. Riken Mesh Put Stock Wheels Back On No Rubbing -_-
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Old Jun 2, 2018 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by streetport 7
He are the pics as promised,The FD Calipers bolted right up,No modifacations needed.

Hi there.

i saw this post that you posted about your FD caliper swop on the FC. I just wanted to know what discs you used. I know they say the offset on the FD is defferent. Did you need to use a spacer also with the calipers or just bolt the FD calipers straight on with the correct disc?
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Old Jun 2, 2018 | 07:37 PM
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You can use all of the FC parts with the FD caliper, including pads, rotors, spindle, and hub. The FD calipers is functionally identical to the FC one, except for a slightly more modern casting. I think even the rebuild kit is the same.

Mine bolted up fine (although I have a spacer between the hub and the rotor because I have 4 lug hubs), on a 5 lug hub they should bolt up without modification. In all fairness I haven't tested it yet, but all the parts bolt together and move as they should. And many others have done this before me with success.

EDIT: I should also mention that there is no advantage in function, only form. They look newer, but the calipers have no extra braking power (I think even the FD rotor is only 1/16 inch greater in diameter). If you're doing it for aesthetics or because the calipers are on hand, go for it. But I wouldn't go out and spend money on it otherwise.

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Old Jun 2, 2018 | 09:10 PM
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A friend of mine and myself were debating this recently, oddly enough. I've never understood why I've seen and heard of so many people over the years going on about FD brakes over their previously 4 pot FC brakes. As far as I've always been aware, there is zero performance benefit.

In my opinion the FC 4 pots look more beefy from a visual standpoint. They're different from today's plain Jane smooth calipers.
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Old Jun 2, 2018 | 10:07 PM
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I've never understood why I've seen and heard of so many people over the years going on about FD brakes over their previously 4 pot FC brakes. As far as I've always been aware, there is zero performance benefit.
I bought them because I was upgrading from single piston calipers, and because they were cheap and available. According to Rockauto they use the exact same rebuild kits, so I very much doubt there's any difference in piston size/depth. Also according to Rockauto, they use identical brake pads and springs. I know the FD rotors have greater diameter, which I find puzzling as the pads are identical. FC 4 piston front rotors are 277mm in diameter, and a series 6 FD's are 294mm in diameter (conflicting with the 1/16 inch difference I incorrectly stated above). Obviously FD's don't have 17mm of unused disc space, and the pads are the same and they don't hang off of my FC rotor, so I think the extra diameter comes from thickening the cylindrical wall of the hat portion on the FD caliper and spacing the caliper out further (unless I'm horribly misunderstanding something). They are both 22mm in disc thickness new, but the thickness of the hat is different. Either way, since the pad contact area is identical, the only benefit would come from better cooling due to greater mass (which I can't test, but assume would be negligible).

Visually speaking, I prefer the look of the FD calipers. I think the lines are a bit cleaner. However the bigger casting may interfere with wheel selection.

If someone happens to have an FD rotor and an FC rotor laying around to compare visually, that would be very useful. Considering this thread has been revived after several years of inactivity, it would be prudent to add as much useful data as we can.
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Old Jun 4, 2018 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by WondrousBread
You can use all of the FC parts with the FD caliper, including pads, rotors, spindle, and hub. The FD calipers is functionally identical to the FC one, except for a slightly more modern casting. I think even the rebuild kit is the same.

Mine bolted up fine (although I have a spacer between the hub and the rotor because I have 4 lug hubs), on a 5 lug hub they should bolt up without modification. In all fairness I haven't tested it yet, but all the parts bolt together and move as they should. And many others have done this before me with success.

EDIT: I should also mention that there is no advantage in function, only form. They look newer, but the calipers have no extra braking power (I think even the FD rotor is only 1/16 inch greater in diameter). If you're doing it for aesthetics or because the calipers are on hand, go for it. But I wouldn't go out and spend money on it otherwise.
Ok that’s awesome. Thanks for all the info.

I'm going to build a FC subframe into my FB. Got the FD calipers, still need all the rest though. I read that the FD caliper casting is a bit smaler on the outside. Apparently they were able to move one of the oil ports slightly alowing for a wider verity of wheel fitments. But the rest is exactly the same with the exception of how they look.

would like to use 15inch wheels on that brake setup if it will got.

Thanks again for the info. This was very helpful.
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Old Jun 4, 2018 | 07:03 PM
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I can confirm that the FD calipers make it easier to fit certain aftermarket wheels without wheel spacers as the FC calipers are quite bulky and can foul on the inner wheel.

It is correct that the calipers are functionally identical and use the same rebuild kit. The pads are also the same. However the pad hardware, anti-rattle springs etc are different.
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Old Mar 19, 2025 | 09:21 AM
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Can anyone confirm that the FD calipers are “less bulky”? My wheels are gonna hit the oil passage bump without a spacer.
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Old Mar 19, 2025 | 05:53 PM
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Yes. The FD has raised text sitting above the main surface of the outer surface but this doesn't stick out nearly as far as the oil passage bump. You can also file the text lower if required as well. I am happy to measure my spare FD calipers up for you to compare if you'd like so you can see how much extra clearance you will get?
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Old Mar 19, 2025 | 07:58 PM
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That would be amazing. I spent a few hours looking for specs. I found one post stating that FD calipers allow for more clearance, but also read that they’re “bulky” lol
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Old Mar 26, 2025 | 06:51 PM
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Thanks for your patience. I finally got a chance to pull out the spare calipers. The measurement from the face of the pistons (where it contacts the brake pad) to the outermost point of the MAZDA text is 42.50mm. That is essentially the thickness of the outer half of the caliper measured from the outermost surface of the brake pad.

You should hopefully be able to compare that the equivalent measurement for the FC caliper
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Old Mar 27, 2025 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by KYPREO
Yes. The FD has raised text sitting above the main surface of the outer surface but this doesn't stick out nearly as far as the oil passage bump. You can also file the text lower if required as well. I am happy to measure my spare FD calipers up for you to compare if you'd like so you can see how much extra clearance you will get?
just be aware there is fluid passages under those letters, do a quick search to find out that folks have destroyed their calipers trying to file those letters down.

perhaps they meant the bump in the center, which would be dumb to remove because that's obviously a fluid bridge casting.

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Old Mar 27, 2025 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by notanymore
just be aware there is fluid passages under those letters, do a quick search to find out that folks have destroyed their calipers trying to file those letters down.

perhaps they meant the bump in the center, which would be dumb to remove because that's obviously a fluid bridge casting.
Yes absolutely you need to be careful and it is worth reminding people. However, you can grind the letters off. What you cannot do is go any further down. There is a raised section that the letters sit on top of. The fluid passages pass through that raised section. It is discussed here: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...lipers-309699/

You can get another few mm of clearance without the letters.

Now this is on the 294mm rotor versions from early FDs, not the later bigger calipers fitted to 280ps version 5 and 6 cars from Japan. Those calipers do not have the ridge - the letters sit directly on the external surface of the calipers casting.
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