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11-10-04, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by casio
i understand where youre coming from, but you mentioned a lot about drag racing, though you threw in a few other things. the same person who started this thread is looking to build a highway beast. this, in a sense, is similar to "straight line performance," but that, in my opinion, overlooks a major valid point; the build of a car. as much as you (in general; anyone) wantsto bash any type of racing, each one has its strong points. here we have a small engine, 1.3 litre 2-rotor. he wants to accomplish an insane amount of power from this engine. in itself, that is a task. a lot goes into building a racecar; any racecar. i can laugh at nascar or say i find nitro dragsters boring, but at the same time, they in themselves are quite a feat. racing is a mixture is competition, skill and fun (and whatever other variables you can think of which apply). were RX7s made to drag race? no. were mustangs? i dont think so, i think they're a road course/gt vehicle. were civics? naw, they were meant to get 40mpg. but hell, even they can turn 8s. now look at old hot rods. some of those cars were built as family cars. no one seems surprised when they get a big block and blower tossed under the hood. its a matter of taste and desire.
i hardly call building a car to run top speeds or hit low 1/4 mile times "destroying" the car. selling it to a junkyard for scrap that will be crushed is destroying the car. the "destiny" of a car is up to the owner. will i still make fun of ricers? well of course. this, however, is an honest task. and if you really don't think so, you may want to write a couple of hate letters to Racing Beat for their attrocious use of a poor second and third gen at the salt flats. damn their 230+ and 240+mph runs. could you really meet the people who built that car and tell them that they destroyed an FC and an FD? well, the FD they may agree with since it crashed.
i hardly call building a car to run top speeds or hit low 1/4 mile times "destroying" the car. selling it to a junkyard for scrap that will be crushed is destroying the car. the "destiny" of a car is up to the owner. will i still make fun of ricers? well of course. this, however, is an honest task. and if you really don't think so, you may want to write a couple of hate letters to Racing Beat for their attrocious use of a poor second and third gen at the salt flats. damn their 230+ and 240+mph runs. could you really meet the people who built that car and tell them that they destroyed an FC and an FD? well, the FD they may agree with since it crashed.
Casio, you make a valid point and I do not disagree with you. I don't think I expressed my self accurately. I didn’t do well at getting my point across. The point that, while drag racing and all other forms of straight line racing are very good for equipment testing and research they do not push human abilities like road racing does. There are plenty more people that can build dragsters then people who can build racers. From an engineering standpoint drag racing and top speed racing is an incredible way to test materials and ideas. I totally agree with the use of theses efforts because in the end the technology will trickle up and find its way into a F1 car in one way or another. My main Idea is to establish the grounds for people to understand the Hierarchy as it truly exists in the world of racing.
11-10-04, 11:10 PM
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and i agree with you, but on a personal preference level. above all, i am a fan of rally and other racing which involves courses. to me, thats the most fun and a true test of skill; both driver and car. so much racing is about "my car is fater than yours." this is good and all, but i'd like a fast car thats fun to drive all around. a lot of power tends to make it more fun. fastest thing i've ever driven is a shifter kart. i wasnt on a course, but on a "private property driveway/parking lot" (it was at a racetrack i used to work at; motorsport ranch; cresson tx). i was just wrapping that little thing through the gears. despite the fact that i wasnt doing turns, but just going straight, it was still a blast. i think pullin Gs, even straight, are undeniably very exciting and adrenaline pumping. thanks for taking my "rebuttle" pleasantly. i always hate getting into flame wars or whatever. 
and thanks for reexpressing your point.
and thanks for reexpressing your point.
11-10-04, 11:52 PM
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My friend Joey Gonzalez is the fastest I know of.
9.50's on street legal slicks still running a clutched tranny, distributor, and only a fuel computer.
The car was built yeeeaaars ago before good standalones were available.
New setup will involve a clutchless tranny, full standalone, and coil packs unless he sells the car.
-Rob-
9.50's on street legal slicks still running a clutched tranny, distributor, and only a fuel computer.
The car was built yeeeaaars ago before good standalones were available.
New setup will involve a clutchless tranny, full standalone, and coil packs unless he sells the car.
-Rob-
11-11-04, 12:17 AM
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Screw the drag race cars, they can't turn worth a shyit.
I'd also like to see any of the previous mentioned cars drag race between corners with this beast.
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...6/0615_2mg.jpg
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...6/0615_4mg.jpg
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...6/0615_9mg.jpg
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...6/0615_3mg.jpg
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st.../0615_15mg.jpg
http://www.cityperformancecentre.com/
I'd also like to see any of the previous mentioned cars drag race between corners with this beast.
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...6/0615_2mg.jpg
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...6/0615_4mg.jpg
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...6/0615_9mg.jpg
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http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st.../0615_15mg.jpg
http://www.cityperformancecentre.com/
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11-11-04, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RX-Heven
hence the term 'drag ***'
That sounds like something a 5th grader would say. If you don't like drag racing, don't click on drag racing threads. Amazing logic huh?
11-11-04, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by gsracer
That sounds like something a 5th grader would say. If you don't like drag racing, don't click on drag racing threads. Amazing logic huh?
In that case, the Racing Beat landspeed car wins hands down. How's that logic for ya?
11-11-04, 12:42 AM
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i dunno, i dont think this was a drag topic. i could see how one, even myself, would think so, but the same person who started this topic has another thread about highway racing. so, in this sense, i think "fastest" refers to top speed. but what do i know, i didnt post this thread.
drag race between corners?? a drag car is made to drag (straightline). its not built for a road course. i'd love to see that (cityperformance) car on a rally course. oops, not where it belongs. its okay that you dont like (or even hate) drag, but its a fun competition nonetheless.
drag race between corners?? a drag car is made to drag (straightline). its not built for a road course. i'd love to see that (cityperformance) car on a rally course. oops, not where it belongs. its okay that you dont like (or even hate) drag, but its a fun competition nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by RX-Heven
Funny, I thought the title of this thread was "Fastest FC"
In that case, the Racing Beat landspeed car wins hands down. How's that logic for ya?
In that case, the Racing Beat landspeed car wins hands down. How's that logic for ya?
"fastest" is a relative term. fastest speed. fastest quarter mile. fastest on course. fastest 0-60. they're all "fastest" in our terminology, just in their own ways.
and i guess youre going to pick on the racing beat fc land record holder since it doesn't take as much skill to go 240mph as it does to drive on a road course? i look at it the same way as i look at drag cars; more emphasis on the car and less on the driver. people actually build these "modern marvels." thats great to me. sure, 300-400hp is awesome on a road course or rally course, but the engine hasn't been pushed to its limits. 900 or 1000+hp is amazing out of some engines. this type of power is unfeasible on most courses in many cars. so i say here and now, big respect to the builders and tuners who accomplish such numbers.
i'm not meaning to add fuel to the fire. quite the opposite.
11-11-04, 12:52 AM
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Thanks for your philosophical viewpoint.
Never said I didn't like drag racing and never started picking on any other cars. They are all respectable in their own right.
btw, rally racing could be on tarmac, and in that case....
Never said I didn't like drag racing and never started picking on any other cars. They are all respectable in their own right.
btw, rally racing could be on tarmac, and in that case....
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11-11-04, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RX-Heven
btw, rally racing could be on tarmac, and in that case....
11-11-04, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by casio
haha, yea, i've seen em on tarmac, but usually only briefly. speaking of which, is there a definition of "rally racing"?? i always assume 50+% dirt and/or snow. i also realized i never use the word "tarmac." maybe its a regional thing.
Tarmac is used just about everywhere but here, especially in rally racing.
Now back to the 'fastest fc' discussion.
11-11-04, 07:20 AM
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900plus hp on an FC with stock chassis? I think the KSP car is capable of the hp via turbo's. But I don't care what kinda tyres he has, with 900 plus that car would never, NEVER even go in a straight line..
Agree that KSP has the fastest stock chassis RX-7 though... and maybe the KAAZ red TII from JP.
Agree that KSP has the fastest stock chassis RX-7 though... and maybe the KAAZ red TII from JP.
11-12-04, 07:47 AM
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Actually I think Ted's right about the KSP FC. I think it was option(or option2) magazine that did an article about them making 900~ rwhp.
FWIW 400 hp cars(boostn7) can run high 10's in the quarter mile(Boostn7 ran 10.9~). Cars with 600 hp(Steve Kan back in 2003) run mid to low 10's(Steve ran 10.3~). That's a 200 hp difference. 700 hp normally is high 9's(Ray Wilson) so 900 hp running low 9's makes sense.
FWIW 400 hp cars(boostn7) can run high 10's in the quarter mile(Boostn7 ran 10.9~). Cars with 600 hp(Steve Kan back in 2003) run mid to low 10's(Steve ran 10.3~). That's a 200 hp difference. 700 hp normally is high 9's(Ray Wilson) so 900 hp running low 9's makes sense.
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When I think of the fastest street FC, Im thinking of not a drag car, or not just a track car. Its gotta have everything. Top speed, drag ability, and damn good handling. Thinkin like this, I would say the FC3s.org car is right up there. Their car is built for it all. Just get the bitch on the track and prove to all these people!
11-12-04, 10:46 AM
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I am expecting around 500 to the wheel's when my project fc is finished in jan/ feb time.
For you people waiting with your fingers on the bs button. I'd hold off if i was you You dont wanna feel like a jackass when i prove you wrong.
a little rundown on the car. I'll give you a lil insite but not all thats being done.
S5 TII motor with S4 rotors. Stage III street port with 3mm cryo hardened apex seals.
Microtech Lt8x
T-72 BB Q-trim .81/ar
Greddy fmic
koyo alum raid.
twin electric fans.
I'll be running twin walbro 255's
3'' DP straight to the back with a Apex I n1 singe exhaust.
I am also dropping alot of excess weight out of the car while still have a full interior. :-)
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<~~~~~ thats my turbo
For you people waiting with your fingers on the bs button. I'd hold off if i was you
You dont wanna feel like a jackass when i prove you wrong. a little rundown on the car. I'll give you a lil insite but not all thats being done.
S5 TII motor with S4 rotors. Stage III street port with 3mm cryo hardened apex seals.
Microtech Lt8x
T-72 BB Q-trim .81/ar
Greddy fmic
koyo alum raid.
twin electric fans.
I'll be running twin walbro 255's
3'' DP straight to the back with a Apex I n1 singe exhaust.
I am also dropping alot of excess weight out of the car while still have a full interior. :-)
TurboSmoke
<~~~~~ thats my turbo
11-12-04, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jspecracer7
FWIW 400 hp cars(boostn7) can run high 10's in the quarter mile(Boostn7 ran 10.9~). Cars with 600 hp(Steve Kan back in 2003) run mid to low 10's(Steve ran 10.3~). That's a 200 hp difference. 700 hp normally is high 9's(Ray Wilson) so 900 hp running low 9's makes sense.
Because on slicks the Japtrix Car run's 9.50's (594whp) A black australian FC (Forgot the owner) runs 8.90's untubbed (620whp) and a couple other guys making low 600's were running in the mid/low 9's in australia.
11-12-04, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hi_Im_Rob
Are you talking on street tires or slicks?
Because on slicks the Japtrix Car run's 9.50's (594whp) A black australian FC (Forgot the owner) runs 8.90's untubbed (620whp) and a couple other guys making low 600's were running in the mid/low 9's in australia.
Because on slicks the Japtrix Car run's 9.50's (594whp) A black australian FC (Forgot the owner) runs 8.90's untubbed (620whp) and a couple other guys making low 600's were running in the mid/low 9's in australia.
11-12-04, 11:28 PM
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Dude those are alot like the wheels that came on third gens in the domestic market.
I was wondering if anybody here knew of a place were I could get JDM RS WATANABE wheels?
If anyone knows please PM me, Thanks.
PS I know were I can buy them new for like 2000 dollars I was wondering if I could get a better deal than that though.
I was wondering if anybody here knew of a place were I could get JDM RS WATANABE wheels?
If anyone knows please PM me, Thanks.
PS I know were I can buy them new for like 2000 dollars I was wondering if I could get a better deal than that though.