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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 05:54 PM
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What's a rebuild like that going to cost?
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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Assuming his core is buildable, I quoted him around 1700 plus shipping for a rebuild with 3mm seals and streetport, without gasket kit (since he already has them). Most of my rebuilds fall into the $1000-2000 price range.
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 06:18 PM
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you can try them they are good, the shop looks like a whole in the wall but you wold be lucky to get your car worked on anytime soon their waiting list is pretty long but people are willing to wait, year round. give em a call and see if this shop suits your needs.


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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 06:18 PM
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Cool..
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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With shipping costs being what they are, I'd recommend that west coast people choose a builder who can offer local support...the savings in shipping make up for the price difference that you'd get by coming to me.

Not that I wouldn't love to build you a nice engine...I think one of mine just laid down 425+rwhp this last week in an FC.

i try to be competetive with my pricing, in fact i use most of your price tables for my guidelines, quite a good deal considering the west coast prices tend to be a bit higher...

unfortunately most of the forum members i have done rebuilds for do not visit this section to give tesimonials.

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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 10:45 PM
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actually i think i might be a little cheaper come to think of it after checking your prices since i only charge $250 for porting 4 ports.
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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i try to be competetive with my pricing, in fact i use most of your price tables for my guidelines,
Yeah, and so did this guy:

http://www.rx7world.com/rx7/modules....rod&prodID=159

Almost a direct cut and paste from my site prices page, before I last edited it:

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ro...er/prices.html

******' biters...

actually i think i might be a little cheaper come to think of it after checking your prices since i only charge $250 for porting 4 ports.
I can drive prices further down if the need should arise

j/k though...we serve 2 different markets, east vs west. I don't think either of us will ever impact the other. Now some of these people on the east coast are getting pissed off...I have even had an RXTuner ad dedicated solely to me for the last few issues
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 01:17 AM
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lol, i always try to send east coasters your way since you know your **** and helped me out in the past.

i thought your prices were ballpark good so i range mine in the general area. most of the shops around quote for basically a new engine which is rediculously priced, why spend $6k on a completely fresh engine when a rebuild will last just about as long for a fraction of the price? most of the guys just don't know anything about their rebuilds and hand over their wallets..

and wtf is this ****?

"Street-porting: (Mild) $100 Adds 5-10 horsepower

Street-porting: (Wild) $295 Adds 10-15 horsepower

Street-porting: (Extreme) $425 Adds 15-30 horsepower"


since when was there a HP figure on porting? dumbasses...

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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 01:22 AM
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That was necessary to trump the info posted on my site, which only gives a rough estimate of power gains on a percentage basis.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 01:32 AM
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thats what i was gonna say, a % is more accurate not a true HP figure...


first time i have ever seen porting for as low as $100 also.. i can barely port turbo runners and wastegate for that price.

i also noticed you dropped your prices yet again ,heh.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 01:45 AM
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I could drop porting and install prices quite a bit if I needed to, and 3mm upgrade and emissions removal prices a bit too if I had to. Engine base prices really can't budge, maybe 10%, I'm already working on pretty much bottom line already.

You might see some of these add-on options go up and down in price, but I will always strive to keep the basic engine build price low for the entry level person that needs to get their car back on the road without spending more than the actual value of the car. That's what I founded my work on and I never want to get away from that.

I dabble in some performance builds for high power guys, but my target market is the entry level rebuild; not because *I'm* cheap, but because that's an area of the market that was previously neglected. When I first started out repairing 7's locally, it was hard to find useable used engines, and new ones were simply out of the question as far as price. That was the reason I got into building, to meet that need. Anybody can slap a bunch of new parts together and make it work for 3 grand, but the key is taking 500 dollars worth of new stuff and putting with used stuff and still making a useful engine to keep cars on the road that would otherwise be sold or junked. I can't count the number of good condition 7's I used to see in local junkyards that looked like they could be driven home, save for the blown engine under the hood.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 02:07 AM
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i wasn't kidding about the $6-7k rebuild prices around here.. and people pay it, i just have to shake my head..
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 02:12 AM
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I don't get it. I mean, these companies/shops get wholesale discounts from suppliers, so even if you build a block from almost all new parts, you're looking at around 3000-3200 in new parts cost. Factor in a few hundred for labor too, and any porting mods. I can't understand how any engine, unless it's extensively dowelled or p-ported, can cost over 4 grand.

I just installed a pettit motor that cost a customer $4200 plus core, had 3mm setup and streetport. The ports still had visible factory casting lips near the port faces. It looked like a 15 minute port job to me.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 02:14 AM
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it's all about markup and labor costs, figure $90 per hour and cost plus 40% or so on parts and it gets expensive real fast. gotta remember the bay is an expensive place to live not only for the 7 owners but for the techs as well.

i don't think most of these guys have an actual price sheet for a rebuild, they go off of labor guide times and multiply by labor cost and add in any other mod times while they are in there.

$2000+ in labor charges alone is probably not uncommon.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 02:20 AM
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See, I look at things different. I never charge hourly labor for any of my work. I have a good idea what sort of work is involved with a certain job and I generally price it on a flat rate for that job. For instance...remove stock turbo and port wastegate and reinstall? 200 bucks.

On average I make 400 to 600 dollars per rebuild in labor, by the time I account for parts cost plus various small materials like paints, sealants, cleaners, electricity, etc. That's by no means a shitload of money, but I look at it like that's a week's worth of pay at any other job I could go out and get around here...I worked in a plant for 6 years doing skilled machine repair and on a 60 hour week I'd bring home about $500. If I can make that in 3 days' time on a single engine build, I'm all the happier. I see no need to mark up further than that.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 02:33 AM
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same here, plus its more gratifying work.

now if i just had enough lined up i would quit my job as a line tech and do it full time.
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