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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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so if you have no fuel pressure, and can hear the pump prime, then there is not a clog. its somethign else that has failed.

i say its the fpr.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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A vacuum pump or bike pump on the FPR line would help to see if it's doing anything. Vacuum simulates idle (lower fuel pressure) and positive pressure simulates boost (higher fuel pressure).

You also can't check for vacuum leaks via the carb cleaner method unless the engine is running. Yours isn't running (right?), so no dice.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
A vacuum pump or bike pump on the FPR line would help to see if it's doing anything. Vacuum simulates idle (lower fuel pressure) and positive pressure simulates boost (higher fuel pressure).

You also can't check for vacuum leaks via the carb cleaner method unless the engine is running. Yours isn't running (right?), so no dice.
well i can get it to idle by holding the afm in like i said, if i start it using engine starting fluid. so how do i do it?
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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how about the water thermal sensor on the back of the waterpump housing? Is that connected? I know that on the FB's if that thermal sensor is bad or not connected then the 7 will not start........
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 01:20 AM
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another thing i forgot about when i was posting last time, when i was priming my engine, i started to smell gasoline while my head was over by the gauge. which should mean leak. but i didn't see anything on the ground
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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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Okay guys, so I'm still having the same problem, but after messing with it and checking out different things, I now have a more specific idea of what's going on. Throw me your ideas.

I know that my fuel pump is hooked up, wired, and pumping correctly. I pull the fuel line off and it squirts fuel out. But when I hook up a gauge to the line, it reads zero pressure. I thought wtf, so i pulled the line off again, this time holding my finger over the line (blocking it). When i turned the pump on (ignition on with test connector jumped), i could feel the gas there, but it wasn't pushing very hard at all. Not enough especially to be around 35-38psi like it's supposed to (or somewhere around there) but when i take my finger off, it squirts out. So it's pumping enough to put gas in the lines, but not enough to give the engine the fuel pressure required to start/run.

Any ideas?

Also, i moved the gauge from between the fuel filter and engine to right out of the fuel tank, and same thing, so it's not the fuel filter or anything blocking somewhere on the fuel line.

So...bad fuel pump?
I just replaced it with one I bought on ebay, that didn't look used and the owner said they bought a long time ago as a backup but never used. This may be a problem. But it might be something else so I don't want to go buy a brand new fuel pump if I don't have to.

And a reminder, the car has been sitting for over a year before I bought it.

Which made me think, what if the fuel that was sitting in there rusted the inside of the metal fuel lines inside the tank? Is that a possibility? If someone thinks so, I'll pull it out tomorrow and look at it.

Ideas anyone???
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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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Well, if you are pulling off the fuel line, and putting your finger over it, it should be squirting out all over the place. I think you are heading in the right direction, by pulling the fuel pump out, and checking it out. Also, you did say you put a new filter in it, right?
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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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Well, if you are pulling off the fuel line, and putting your finger over it, it should be squirting out all over the place. I think you are heading in the right direction, by pulling the fuel pump out, and checking it out. Also, you did say you put a new filter in it, right?
yeah it should be but when you block it it just stops, like it's not pushing enough.

and yeah i put a new filter in.
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 10:55 PM
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then the fuel pump is not generating enough pressure.think about it.

40 psi will get gasoline EVERYWHERE and all over the place. wear goggles.

check the fuel pressure directly at the output of the tank. if its still ****, then check that the connection to the pump is sound. was it the kind of fuel pump where you had to cut the hardline and attack it with a wormclamp and rubber hose? if yes, check the hose for leaks and that the wormclamp is tite. if it checks out, then get a new fuel pump.
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 11:06 PM
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then the fuel pump is not generating enough pressure.think about it.

40 psi will get gasoline EVERYWHERE and all over the place. wear goggles.

check the fuel pressure directly at the output of the tank. if its still ****, then check that the connection to the pump is sound. was it the kind of fuel pump where you had to cut the hardline and attack it with a wormclamp and rubber hose? if yes, check the hose for leaks and that the wormclamp is tite. if it checks out, then get a new fuel pump.
will do, thanks. just had an idea too. i'll let you guys know how it goes.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 07:39 PM
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okay guys, so it just fired up for the first time on its own!

i pulled the pump out, and i realized the connection between the pump and the hard line wasn't sealed well ( i have no idea how it was supposed to be sealed like that because it wasn't working lol ) so i just cut off that weird thing and put on some fuel line and clamps, and that gave me pressure and it idled and reved up just fine. now i'm gonna replace all the fluids and see where to go from there.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 07:43 PM
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congrats!! i was going to say feed your car beans
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mothdawg
okay guys, so it just fired up for the first time on its own!

i pulled the pump out, and i realized the connection between the pump and the hard line wasn't sealed well ( i have no idea how it was supposed to be sealed like that because it wasn't working lol ) so i just cut off that weird thing and put on some fuel line and clamps, and that gave me pressure and it idled and reved up just fine. now i'm gonna replace all the fluids and see where to go from there.
So the problem was actually the nut behind the wheel huh? lol... J/K
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:29 AM
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So the problem was actually the nut behind the wheel huh? lol... J/K
lol exactly
thanks for the help guys
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 01:14 AM
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okay so now it gets going well, but i'm having a couple other problems, during startup and idle. i'm going to post a video and a new thread soon maybe tomorrow but for now i'll try to explain and tell me what you guys think. when i start the car for the first time after a while, it starts, then goes really low on rpms and almost dies and it'll try to get up for a while and keep dipping down, and eventually it comes up to a steady idle. then, while idling, about every second or two (and it gets further apart the longer its idling until eventually it stops) it revs up a tiny bit. weird eh? i was thinking vacuum leak, or maybe i should just "unflood" the engine since it was sitting forever it might have weird crap in there. any thoughts?
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mothdawg
okay so now it gets going well, but i'm having a couple other problems, during startup and idle. i'm going to post a video and a new thread soon maybe tomorrow but for now i'll try to explain and tell me what you guys think. when i start the car for the first time after a while, it starts, then goes really low on rpms and almost dies and it'll try to get up for a while and keep dipping down, and eventually it comes up to a steady idle. then, while idling, about every second or two (and it gets further apart the longer its idling until eventually it stops) it revs up a tiny bit. weird eh? i was thinking vacuum leak, or maybe i should just "unflood" the engine since it was sitting forever it might have weird crap in there. any thoughts?
run it for a while. maybe its just got poopy gasoline in there.

glad you fixed the problem man. i had an deep t\rooted feeling that this was EXACTLY the problem.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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what is idle rpm supposed to be?
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 09:01 PM
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between 750 and id say 850?
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