Engine bay went on fire TODAY (Fourth Of July Special)
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Engine bay went on fire TODAY (Fourth Of July Special)
My slave cylinder area caught on fire today. We put in the transmission perfectly without any problems. It slid right in perfectly without and problems just a few jiggles and it went in like cake work. We put in the starter, the driveshaft and filled it up with the proper fluid. The only messed up part is the 5th/Reverse Connector is broken so i need to get a new one. Any help on that part would be very helpful and widely appreciated.
Now the shifter is sitting about 2-4 degress over to the passenger side due to the Custom T&R crossmember bracket, so there wasnt much that we can do. We tried 4 times to rearrange it to make it fit more even but to no avail.
So we filled it up with some good new fluid (the fluid T&R said they replaced and DIDNT!) and checked the driveshaft for play and re-inspected all the work. Then we left the car on jackstands to make sure there was nothing wrong after we started it.
We go to start the car and the car is not turning over smoothly. Feels a bit rough like something is restricting the movement of it turning over. Some Smoke was coming out the housing and after continuing the smoke was less and less present. So we needed more power (because since i gotten teh car back from T&R my battery have been gettting CORROSION) so i got the battery from my girls dads MOUNTAINEER.
So we began cranking and i let it ride for a while becuase it was moving a lil better, and didnt felt so restricted. Next thing i know i have my OWN fourth of july special in my engine bay ( it was localized).
So we put out the fire quickly, then we see that the Stainless Steel Clutchline was foaming and whitish. So im thinking that T&R didnt wire something properly and has a loose wire somewhere that maybe ignited the line to make a FIRE.
Now can it be that or can it be from the car turning over and over feeling restricted?
So any suggestion are widely needed and will be taken very seriously. I need my car as soon as POSSIBLE becuase i want my car ready for ROTORFEST next week.
Jason NYC
Now the shifter is sitting about 2-4 degress over to the passenger side due to the Custom T&R crossmember bracket, so there wasnt much that we can do. We tried 4 times to rearrange it to make it fit more even but to no avail.
So we filled it up with some good new fluid (the fluid T&R said they replaced and DIDNT!) and checked the driveshaft for play and re-inspected all the work. Then we left the car on jackstands to make sure there was nothing wrong after we started it.
We go to start the car and the car is not turning over smoothly. Feels a bit rough like something is restricting the movement of it turning over. Some Smoke was coming out the housing and after continuing the smoke was less and less present. So we needed more power (because since i gotten teh car back from T&R my battery have been gettting CORROSION) so i got the battery from my girls dads MOUNTAINEER.
So we began cranking and i let it ride for a while becuase it was moving a lil better, and didnt felt so restricted. Next thing i know i have my OWN fourth of july special in my engine bay ( it was localized).
So we put out the fire quickly, then we see that the Stainless Steel Clutchline was foaming and whitish. So im thinking that T&R didnt wire something properly and has a loose wire somewhere that maybe ignited the line to make a FIRE.
Now can it be that or can it be from the car turning over and over feeling restricted?
So any suggestion are widely needed and will be taken very seriously. I need my car as soon as POSSIBLE becuase i want my car ready for ROTORFEST next week.
Jason NYC
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Originally Posted by 88t2romad
how does a slave cylinder catch on fire?
The SS clutch line was on FIRE..
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Originally Posted by ROTARYROCKET7
The wire , the clutch line (its Stainless Steel), was on fire. Dont ask me how. Im telling you what i saw and what was on fire. LOook at the pic and see how it looks all nasty and messed up.
The SS clutch line was on FIRE..
The SS clutch line was on FIRE..
im not doubting it was on fire, im just stimped on how it would ignite......
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there is no ground wire connected to the engine/trans( there is supposed to be a big one that bolts on the the starter bolt), or the cabe is very coroded and not making a good connection, so the ground traveled through the steel braided line and heated up, melted the teflon inner hose and cought the brake fluid on fire(yes, its flamible). good luck
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dayum man, what the ****, 6 days before rotorfest and this **** happens, carajo meng. i'll be going to T&R tuesday. tommorrow. so if you need help on something, give me a shout man.
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Originally Posted by nyc_scorpio
dayum man, what the ****, 6 days before rotorfest and this **** happens, carajo meng. i'll be going to T&R tuesday. tommorrow. so if you need help on something, give me a shout man.
See ya there SCORPIO around 630-7pm, given u didnt leave yet, but thats the time i will be able to go cause i leave work at 530pm and im all the way downtown in teh city.
Now what can be causing my transmission to make that hard churning sound and not kick over. Did i mess soemthing up with clutch plate or clutch disc when i was inserting the transmission shaft in between teh clutch/motor?'
I will try fevereshly to get my car ready by SUNDAY.....i just spent all my check on tires and other goodies to get my car pimped out for RF2005. Im so sad and mad .
Jason NYC
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Originally Posted by TechTrix
there is no ground wire connected to the engine/trans( there is supposed to be a big one that bolts on the the starter bolt), or the cabe is very coroded and not making a good connection, so the ground traveled through the steel braided line and heated up, melted the teflon inner hose and cought the brake fluid on fire(yes, its flamible). good luck
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
Yeah, you have very bad grounds, and you probably tried to start it and it used your clutch line as the ground. A good reason why mazda used rubber!
Im going to inspect at the end of the week. Cuase im too busy and got work from 730-5pm so by the time i get home its like 7pm haha.
Jason NYC
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
There's a massive ground wire that gets bolted to the engine block with the transmission, chances are that ones not very good.
yeah i bolted in on with the tranny/starter, maybe one of the wires is exposed . I will take a look at it and i think i can find it.
Also my car was automatic and the swap was done by T&R racing. Now the connector/sensor for the 5th gear / reverse taht goes into the tranny is broken. I need to get a new one (where do i get onE?))), can that be stopping the car from starting?
Jason nYC
P.S where can i buy that sensor?
p.s 2 why isnt the car turning over so slowly, did i mess up the pressure plate clutch when i was tryin gto put the tranny shaft between the clutch hole/motor?
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Do you mean why is it turning so slowly? If yes, it's because it has a very bad ground and it's not getting a good connection and you're stressing every ground point on the car by overloading them, which is what started your first fire, keep that up and you'll be in for another!
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Originally Posted by TechTrix
there is no ground wire connected to the engine/trans( there is supposed to be a big one that bolts on the the starter bolt), or the cabe is very coroded and not making a good connection, so the ground traveled through the steel braided line and heated up, melted the teflon inner hose and cought the brake fluid on fire(yes, its flamible). good luck
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I've seen this exact problem before in DeLoreans. Common cause is a bad ground. The braided stainless line then becomes the ground. At least on the RX-7 it's easy to fix. On the D, getting to the clutch slave is a nightmare...
The higher resistance of the braided line also causes all kinds of other electrical problems if it becomes the primary ground.
Best run a new ground from the starter mounting bolts to the firewall, and another on to the battery.
The higher resistance of the braided line also causes all kinds of other electrical problems if it becomes the primary ground.
Best run a new ground from the starter mounting bolts to the firewall, and another on to the battery.
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
Do you mean why is it turning so slowly? If yes, it's because it has a very bad ground and it's not getting a good connection and you're stressing every ground point on the car by overloading them, which is what started your first fire, keep that up and you'll be in for another!
Im going to go find the wire fix it make sure everythign is right then start my car. IM not going to Keep that up so i can fry my car....im not that dumb thats why im here asking.
NOTE: THis was the first time of me ever taking a big job as swapping a transmission and taking everything apart. The most work ive done was basic stuff like plugs and unflooding and an oil change not rocket science. So to me this is all new and im maybe asking dumb questions looping around on itself but im LEARNING.
Jason NYC
EDIT: Im not good with electrical stuff. So if you guys can be a lil more descriptive that would be great. Think of me as a newbie in all this even though i had my car for 3 years...I never done major work like this before. Just basic stuff. It was automatic so i never beat it or did much to it. ITs stock mainly. Just has a K&N intake, a strut bar and a sony radio THATS IT.
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Originally Posted by badge988
Stainless steel is not a very good conductor of electricity to say the least.
What happened to the stock ground from the battery to the engine?
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What happened to the stock ground from the battery to the engine?
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