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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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emissions violation?

So, apparently if you have a waiver for your emissions in Washington, and 100% legally own and your vehicle is legally registered in Washington, since Oregon doesn't have that... they don't care.

I got a $100 fine today when pulled over, and I'm driving my car 100% legally. Does that seem right to you?
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 12:43 AM
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Sounds like you pissed off the cop more than anything.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 12:44 AM
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All I did was leave work, and within that first smokey 1/2 mile... bam.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:23 AM
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That sucks
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:34 AM
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You're emitting in their state. You're responsible. Sucks and most states won't bother ticketing out of staters, but Oregon is a bunch of ****** anyways.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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if you are out of state cops will do that to you.
They know many of times out of state people will not bother fighting it because they have to go to that states court, and many of times people just pay the fine instead of going through the trouble of going to court.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 11:09 AM
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I'm going to fight it, I don't care. I'm legal, and I should not be held for something that I'm legal in the vehicles daily driven, registered, legal state.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 11:33 AM
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Do you have a cat and all OEM emissions equipment installed and operating? Don't forget, even if you are not required emissions testing, tampering with emissions equipment is illegal.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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I believe everything is intact, the o2 sensor is brand new, I have not removed anything. If anything had been removed, it was the previous owner, not me.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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I believe it goes under the federal law (Was reading a thread in the west section) They are perfectly legal to ticket you apparently.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 12:09 PM
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I plan on getting the waiver from my DEQ/DMV place that I went to, and then also going to the place that I had replace the o2 sensor, and bring that with me into court, that way I will at least have some backing on my side.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 12:41 PM
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What is the waiver for? Failing emissions testing and having a certified repair shop estimate the cost of repairs >$XXX ?

How did the cop know about the status of your emissions? There is no inspection sticker in the state of WA.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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Sounds like a Pissed off cop, what exactly was the moving violation? Iv worked for both the Washington DMV and Washington State Emissions and unless your emitting large black or blue smoke from the tailpipe at cruise or your car just wreaks of hydrocarbons on the road they really have no reason to pull you over otherwise regardless of state or out of state regulations unless they give you a moving violation. If none of those apply you definitely should do something about it.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 01:30 PM
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The waiver is for having failed emissions, but having a state and AAA verified shop repair a part, with a bill of over $150, which it costed me $260 for them to scour my car, and replace that lone part.

I told the cop that I had the waiver, and that it had been inspected and verified legally to be driven by the state of Washington.

It was within that first mile of driving, and it was just white smoke, which does happen to my car within the first mile. After that, there is no visible emissions at all to be perceived.

I have an engine being rebuilt for my GXL currently, which I guess when I drive in Oregon I will have to drive that 7, instead of my SE - if this will be a repeated problem.

If I do in fact get this to go away, I will plan on getting a signed note from the judge, giving me a waiver for this kind of act until the date of my next tag renewal in Washington.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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Sounds more and more like you pissed off the cop.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Yeah white smoke indicates burning water vapors and isn't a good enough reason to be pulled over, and fined. The waiver serves no purpose other than to go ahead and renew your registration without passing the WA inspection. Cops don't really care about it. If you only have a wavier and no registration that may be a problem. The emissions Waiver does not serve as an automatic registration. Which im sure you already know. It sounds to me like its only a one time deal, and you just happen to get a cop that was bored.

To test your claim, drive about a mile with a cold engine and have someone drive behind you. If the water vapors create a smoke screen, with any opacity higher than 50% or obstructs visibility for that first mile or however long it lasts your prone for any sort of law enforcement attack.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:14 PM
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I do have my vehicle legally registered, out where I live the DEQ testing place and the DMV is right next door.

I tested, failed, got the sensor replaced, got my 2nd free test, got the waiver, went next door and got it registered. All in a manner of 2 days.

The vehicles title is in my name, address, as well as the registration.

I'll try what you have suggested about the following behind me. I'm also going to try to get a signed statement from a repair shop that works on rotaries to say that it's normal for some of them to smoke while they are warming up.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Sounds like you got a raw deal. Do what WingsofWar recommend and drive with a chase for a little bit. Better yet, have a buddy drive your car and you follow. It is very difficult to see if you are emitting smoke from your tailpipe by the rearview mirror. Unless you a puffing up a smokescreen, I don't see how a police officer can ticket you for something.

For one, condensation in the exhaust causes white smoke, sometimes a considerable amount and every vehicle does this. Many factors go into it, such as current temperature, temperature during period of time car wasn't running, relative humidity, dew points, atmospheric pressure, cloud cover, time driving, etc. I doubt the police officer was a weatherman.

Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty in court. Granted, this can be difficult in a traffic court especially if you are not represented by a lawyer, but it'll be a hard case against you.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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Especially if I have my legal registration, a signed note saying rotaries have trouble with smoke sometimes, a waiver from my DEQ office, and a signed bill from a AAA authorized repair shop.
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