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Old Jun 24, 2002 | 02:45 PM
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Re: Re: do I have LSD or not

Originally posted by Hot_Dog
The only cars that came factory equipped with LSD during '86-'88 were the TII and '88 GTU (w/ hard suspension). The only cars that came factory equipped with LSD during '89-'91 were the TII and limited priduction "GTUs" model. Also, early 2nd had clutch type LSD and late 2nd had viscous type LSD.

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You are incorrect.

Series 4 cars (86-88) that had LSD From the factory:
GXL w/manual trannys
T2
88 GTU
Optional on Sports
(BTW: Hot Dog my first FC was also a 87 Sport bought new)

Series 5 cars with LSD from the factory:
89-90 GTUs
T2
a few 91 coupes had it as an option, but it is very rare.
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Old Jun 24, 2002 | 03:04 PM
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ALL GXL's had LSD.
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Old Jun 24, 2002 | 03:09 PM
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I think it should have an LSD. The way to tell is jack up the rear. Spin on of the tires by hand, and if the other spins in the opposite direction then you have LSD.
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Old Jun 24, 2002 | 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by dre_2ooo
ALL GXL's had LSD.
Nope.

No 86-88 GXL's without manual tranny's and no series 5 GXLs.
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Old Jun 24, 2002 | 06:53 PM
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I'm sure by now jacking up my car and spinning the tires will not let me know if I have a LSD or not. my car is almost pushing 175,000 miles. by now I wouldn't be shocked if I have a LSD the clutches are worn.

I am going to do the burnout thing with one tire on grass the other on the street

but I am still curious as to why the rear of my car pulls to the right

and if it is a open diff why am I leaving two tire marks when I shift and launch
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Old Jun 24, 2002 | 09:39 PM
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hmm... how 'bout you first look for the tag on the drain plug, ... then pop the pumpkin open and take a good look.... (this would solve the ****** problem... )

...BTW, if you look at how an OPEN differential works, if the outer casing remains stationary (ie. the propshaft is NOT turning) and one side is rotated (ie. spinning one tire by hand while the car is up) then the other tire WILL spin the OPPOSITE direction.... (seriously, look it up or something guys... )

...as for the functioning of LSDs, no bloody clue have I....
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Old Jun 25, 2002 | 06:25 PM
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hmm... how 'bout you first look for the tag on the drain plug, ... then pop the pumpkin open and take a good look.... (this would solve the ****** problem... )

...BTW, if you look at how an OPEN differential works, if the outer casing remains stationary (ie. the propshaft is NOT turning) and one side is rotated (ie. spinning one tire by hand while the car is up) then the other tire WILL spin the OPPOSITE direction.... (seriously, look it up or something guys... )

...as for the functioning of LSDs, no bloody clue have I....
smart *** :p
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Old Jun 25, 2002 | 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by autocrash
hmm... how 'bout you first look for the tag on the drain plug, ...
Only if the tag still remains...
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Old Jun 25, 2002 | 09:34 PM
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hey, I'm tryin here....
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 01:37 PM
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Re: Re: Re: do I have LSD or not

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You are incorrect.

Series 4 cars (86-88) that had LSD From the factory:
GXL w/manual trannys
T2
88 GTU
Optional on Sports
(BTW: Hot Dog my first FC was also a 87 Sport bought new)

Series 5 cars with LSD from the factory:
89-90 GTUs
T2
a few 91 coupes had it as an option, but it is very rare.
OK, inadvertently forgot to include the 86-88 GXL, which also had LSD.

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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 01:44 PM
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Re: Re: Re: do I have LSD or not

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You are incorrect.

Series 4 cars (86-88) that had LSD From the factory:
GXL w/manual trannys
T2
88 GTU
Optional on Sports
(BTW: Hot Dog my first FC was also a 87 Sport bought new)

Series 5 cars with LSD from the factory:
89-90 GTUs
T2
a few 91 coupes had it as an option, but it is very rare.
You wrote:
>Optional on Sports

There was no LSD option offered for the '86 Sport. I'm not sure about an LSD option for the '87 Sport, but I'm not going to disagree with you.

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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 10:59 PM
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....picky picky picky people....

..u all should go or something...

(j/k)
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 11:02 PM
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Yeah, my series 5 gxl didn't have LSD, but it had good PCP
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 11:31 AM
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open diff, One wheely peely.
LSD, can spin both wheels when both tires are on similar gripping pavement.
Locker, Spin both tires when one is on slippery (or in the air) and the other has traction.

All my cars with open diffs do one wheel peel outs. If you can put power to both wheels with an open diff then there is no advantage to a LSD. Also, WITH a LSD you can still spin only one wheel if there is too much of a traction difference. Do some time serious off roading (preferablly with a 4x4 not the rx-7) and this will happen a lot. My 4x4 has a LSD and the preload so high I can't turn one wheel by hand with the other wheel on the ground (trans in neutral brake off). My rx-7 has LSD and the preload is so low that it basically freewheels under the same test. It still can spin both tires though so I'm good
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 11:36 AM
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Last edited by Thaniel; Jun 27, 2002 at 11:42 AM.
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 02:39 PM
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Hey you guys cant all go by what model your car is. My 90TII has no tag but its a LSD. Ive seen lots of LSDs w/o tags and Ive seen stock gtu that were open.
And actually I just got a clutch diff for my 86. It had a tag and both halfshafts spun the same way when the diff was out on the ground
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 02:41 PM
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ok so I tried this
I put one wheel on a bunch of dirt that was on the road and the other was on good pavement

spun the tire that was on the dirt

so I guess no LSD for me


but I still don't understand then why with my open diff when I dump or shift I spin BOTH tires and leave two nice big tire marks
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by rxspeed87
but I still don't understand then why with my open diff when I dump or shift I spin BOTH tires and leave two nice big tire marks
Poor traction and good body balance
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Icemark


Poor traction and good body balance
Hooray for RX-7's
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Old Jun 28, 2002 | 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by rxspeed87
I put one wheel on a bunch of dirt that was on the road and the other was on good pavement

spun the tire that was on the dirt

so I guess no LSD for me

All that tells you is you don't have a LOCKER. You can still do that with a limited slip. It is LIMITED slip not NO slip.
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Old Jun 28, 2002 | 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by speederx7@yahoo.com
Hey you guys cant all go by what model your car is. My 90TII has no tag but its a LSD. Ive seen lots of LSDs w/o tags and Ive seen stock gtu that were open.
And actually I just got a clutch diff for my 86. It had a tag and both halfshafts spun the same way when the diff was out on the ground
The '89-'91 LSDs didn't have a tag on the filler plug because they didn't require any special oil/additives. The viscous type LSDs, such as those on '89-'91 models, use a sealed unit, filled with silicone fluid, within the differential to transmit torque to both wheels. Unlike the friction plate LSD, the viscous (and Torsen on 3rd gens) type LSDs uses regular gear oil without additives just like an open differential.

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Old Jun 28, 2002 | 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by autocrash
hmm... how 'bout you first look for the tag on the drain plug, ... then pop the pumpkin open and take a good look.... (this would solve the ****** problem... )

...BTW, if you look at how an OPEN differential works, if the outer casing remains stationary (ie. the propshaft is NOT turning) and one side is rotated (ie. spinning one tire by hand while the car is up) then the other tire WILL spin the OPPOSITE direction.... (seriously, look it up or something guys... )

...as for the functioning of LSDs, no bloody clue have I....
Thank You autocrash. It took me 2 pages to read before you mentioned to just simply look at the drain tag. Although a crude way of looking for LSD, considering It may have fallen off from a previous fluid replacement, It will spare you from doing peelouts and jackin up your car to determain If It Is an LSD or not.
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Old Jun 29, 2002 | 05:32 PM
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All that tells you is you don't have a LOCKER. You can still do that with a limited slip. It is LIMITED slip not NO slip.
wouldn´t a limited slip though try to put power to the wheel that has more grip, and the wheel on the dirt would have reduced power going to it

it was like the wheel on the dirt was slipping while the wheel on good ground did almost nothing no spin no power

while a locker would try to spin them both
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Old Jun 29, 2002 | 05:57 PM
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Last night while installing the exhaust I noticed the yellow tag on my differential So I guess this means I have an lsd like ive suspected this whole time. So is mine still a base with an LSD option?
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Old Jun 29, 2002 | 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by rxspeed87
wouldn´t a limited slip though try to put power to the wheel that has more grip, and the wheel on the dirt would have reduced power going to it
No that is a Torsen

it was like the wheel on the dirt was slipping while the wheel on good ground did almost nothing no spin no power
That sounds like a conventional open diff

while a locker would try to spin them both
Yes, a locking diff forces both wheels to turn at the same speed regardless of traction. This also makes it difficult to drive on the street or other high traction areas unless you are going in a straight or near straight line.
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