Did shop break my hub or ??? (pic)
03-23-06, 05:57 AM
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That looks broken
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Did shop break my hub or ??? (pic)
So i took my hubs to a shop to have the outer metal DTSS bushings pressed out and the outer delrin sleeves pressed in. When i came back they told me one of the hubs cracked when the were pressing the delrin bushing in. My question is, is this even possible? The store manager fed me line after line of bullshit about why it happened. "oh you brought it in cracked." No i didn't i responded, both the tech and I looked at them before i handed them over. Then it was "it's probably because of the hard plastic is tougher the rubber originally in it." To which i replied that the outer piece was originally metal. Then he said that it was a "faulty design" (referring to the hub). Then he pointed out how it was dirty inside the crevice where it broke and it should be "shiny". It is a faint brown color inside the crevice, not dirty as i can't scratch it off. I think maybe they used a torch on it? Things that are hard to see on the pics (sorry they're blurry) are that at the top of the crack it looks like it was smashed some how, and the middle section caved in. How can it cave in when a bushing is being presssed in? Isn't that basically exerting outward force on the hole? So basically i paid $50 and got a broken hub in return. 
Anyone have any advice?
Anyone have any advice?
03-23-06, 08:32 AM
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those pics are terrible........
what can I say though...if it'd happened when you were pressing them out, you'd be pissed off, but because you leave it in someone else's hands the ol' buck passing begins....
IMHO if the shop is even SOMEWHAT competent they can press the old bushing out and new one in without any incident, in this case I would say that it was probably going to happen anyways, but those hubs are difficult to break....
my guess:
tech realizes he has a bitch of a job getting out the bushings (cuz they are IN there man - hehe)
tech heats the hub around the bushing
tech isn't familiar with heating properties of aluminum
press press press
snap
what can I say though...if it'd happened when you were pressing them out, you'd be pissed off, but because you leave it in someone else's hands the ol' buck passing begins....
IMHO if the shop is even SOMEWHAT competent they can press the old bushing out and new one in without any incident, in this case I would say that it was probably going to happen anyways, but those hubs are difficult to break....
my guess:
tech realizes he has a bitch of a job getting out the bushings (cuz they are IN there man - hehe)
tech heats the hub around the bushing
tech isn't familiar with heating properties of aluminum
press press press
snap
03-23-06, 11:07 AM
#6
The mystery of the prize.
the pictures are horrible
but based on what can be seen it looks like some moron took a cutting torch to it.
that is a very simple job to do btw, someone fucked up big time.
heres a photo-howto of doing the dtss bushings, it's almost trivial.
http://pengaru.com/~swivel/cars/rx-7/pics/09-05-2001/
but based on what can be seen it looks like some moron took a cutting torch to it.
that is a very simple job to do btw, someone fucked up big time.
heres a photo-howto of doing the dtss bushings, it's almost trivial.
http://pengaru.com/~swivel/cars/rx-7/pics/09-05-2001/
03-23-06, 12:09 PM
#7
Wow that's pretty fucked up. Almost looks like the press wasn't on it right and it was trying to press the part instead of the bushing and finally the metal gave up or it jumped off the part/center.
Now here is one problem. You left the store with it that way. If you did not accept it you would have had a better chance of fighting them for a new one.
Now they have a bit of shady business of "It wasn't that way when it left our shop" stuff to work with.
Now here is one problem. You left the store with it that way. If you did not accept it you would have had a better chance of fighting them for a new one.
Now they have a bit of shady business of "It wasn't that way when it left our shop" stuff to work with.
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03-23-06, 03:50 PM
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that sucks dud. those hub$$ are......(nevermind)
...find another hub from someone parting out.
If you're 100% + you didn't break that ****, then who else did?
The shop then.
03-23-06, 03:55 PM
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if you ever go back to the shop just tell the owner that he will not be getting you or any of your friends/relatives business again. people reap what they sow and someone who can't sack up that they screwed up in the end will wind up again with 0 after people realize that they got jerked around.
btw, you could probably have that pressed out, repaired and pressed back in by a real machine shop for about $100, just don't go back to the ******** who broke it.
btw, you could probably have that pressed out, repaired and pressed back in by a real machine shop for about $100, just don't go back to the ******** who broke it.
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03-23-06, 04:14 PM
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looking at those photos again (although they're blurry as hell) it looks like there is still a portion of the OE bushing in there....maybe not....
it may have also been that they tried to actually cut out the steel portion with a cutting torch..........and obviously have very shaky hands
it may have also been that they tried to actually cut out the steel portion with a cutting torch..........and obviously have very shaky hands
03-23-06, 04:45 PM
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That looks broken
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yeah sorry about the sucky pics. It sucks but i picked up a hub for $50 im just gonna take a hit on this one 
BTW **** tire and wheel country on evergreen 
bitches 
BTW **** tire and wheel country on evergreen bitches
03-23-06, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by classicauto
I would make them pay for a new hub......that might sound contradictory considering I myself own a shop.
But if I screw something up (cmon we're all human) I always right it with the customer, so why should this jerk-off get off scot free?
But if I screw something up (cmon we're all human) I always right it with the customer, so why should this jerk-off get off scot free?
03-23-06, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by classicauto
I would make them pay for a new hub......that might sound contradictory considering I myself own a shop.
But if I screw something up (cmon we're all human) I always right it with the customer, so why should this jerk-off get off scot free?
But if I screw something up (cmon we're all human) I always right it with the customer, so why should this jerk-off get off scot free?
i would hassle him about it but if he has the ***** to lie about breaking it then he has the ***** to see if you will show up for court. is it worth the time, headache and the $25 court filing fee? if you want to do damage then have your states bureau of automotive repair/better business bureau know about the issue, they will probe around and make life difficult for the owner.
i myself would also admit to my mistakes and take care of my customers, hence my original statement.
03-23-06, 06:51 PM
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yeah man they f'd that stuff up...
I would say take it to a machine shop... any competent monkey in a machine shop can get those in and out in about 20 minutes with 2 beers in between the in and out...
I did mine (I bought a 10 ton press
hehe) anyways pressed mine out in about 5 minutes for both... have yet to install new RB toe eliminators but I can't imagine it will be hard at all.
I would say take it to a machine shop... any competent monkey in a machine shop can get those in and out in about 20 minutes with 2 beers in between the in and out...
I did mine (I bought a 10 ton press
hehe) anyways pressed mine out in about 5 minutes for both... have yet to install new RB toe eliminators but I can't imagine it will be hard at all.
03-23-06, 07:05 PM
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the rubber has a pressure fit, dropping it on the corner would basically crack it and cause an almost like explosion and the missing chunk to fly out. Al has a low melting point, if it was due to heat that whole section of the arm would be a ball of molten aluminum.
03-23-06, 07:07 PM
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ALWAYS pay with a credit card. your credit card company will back you if you tell them the company broke your part and refuses to replace it and wouldnt give it back without payment so at least you wont have to pay the **** stick for screwing up
03-23-06, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
the rubber has a pressure fit, dropping it on the corner would basically crack it and cause an almost like explosion and the missing chunk to fly out. Al has a low melting point, if it was due to heat that whole section of the arm would be a ball of molten aluminum.
03-23-06, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tinvestor
ALWAYS pay with a credit card. your credit card company will back you if you tell them the company broke your part and refuses to replace it and wouldnt give it back without payment so at least you wont have to pay the **** stick for screwing up
whoever told you that? first i have heard of it. you have something in your hand you have to pay for it, if you feel you were wronged you either call the police or go to court. if you call and cancel a payment that is called "theft", bout the same league as what the shop owner did but much easier to prove.
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