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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:24 AM
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decided 2 go bre, stand alone+ one big debt now whats next

alright, so after muchh debate i ordered a megasquirt 2, and a 13bre.

(im shure ill hate this later)

so now i got a few morw things 2 consider, now that im almost flat broke (i.e. bank loan)

i know the trans has 2 go, im almost shure the t2 trans will bolt up.
but im not ordering one until im shure

and im not shure what 2 do about cooling the engine or what 2 do about an intercooler.

i plan on not changeing the stock turbo set up, not running ne more boost than stock,

questions i need answered:

will my s5 n/a radiotor do the job or cooling the bre?

do i need a fmic?

if so what size fmic will i need?

how much pipe?

switch 2 e-fans?

stock s5 n/a oil cooler, does it have enough cooling capacity 2 support the bre?

do i need a turbo rated trans right away, or can i stick it out drive slow and use the s5 n/a trans?

will my 6 puck clutch and light fly wheel from my n/a go on the bre?

if not, what model and year clutch, flywheel should i be looking for?



that seems 2 be it, i already know the ecu will not be easy 2 put 2gether, i found pre fabbed motor mounts, unless ne bodys got them on the cheap?

other than the motor and ecu decision, (which was not the popular choice of my last post)

> < thumb is back up my ***, and im waiting for mel gibson 2 let me know whats up
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 07:26 AM
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Why should anyone bother even trying to give you advise? You completely ignored every bit that was given to you in the other thread. You're in completely over your head.

btw - ain't no way in hell you're going to get those turbo's to function properly. Hope you enjoy boost ~ 4k and very little power. GL - I'll be looking for a 13B-RE in the F/S section soon.
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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+1 to that
we can start a bid war on who gets dibs on the engine

but just to make it legit and redundant of every thread
all of those answer can be found by using that little search button

and if u cant tell if you need a FMIC im not sure you even know what engine your getting
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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I was gonna explain how this forum can be a great teaching tool, but people have to be willing to learn...so nevermind.
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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ya...it's gonna be a tough one. Hope you have a lot of time or know someone who knows what's up with the swap. Oh, and a hint; it needs a fmic
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:51 PM
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doesn't NEED a fmic...
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:56 PM
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mmmkay - so unless you're being really vague and thinking HMIC or VMIC or maybe adapting an FD SMIC...... what should he do? TMIC sure as hell won't work.

Originally Posted by pfsantos
I was gonna explain how this forum can be a great teaching tool, but people have to be willing to learn...so nevermind.
Like a woman who asks your opinion when they've already made up thier mind which way they want to go - doesn't matter what you say or how loud you say it it's in one ear and out the other.

btw - I got first dibs becuase I already have a 13B-RE, it's already in my car, and I said it first
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:59 PM
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true, he doesn't need one, but he has to come up with some adapters to run his top mount somehow. That's what I'm doing for now. But fmic is better
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:01 PM
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ummmmmmmm - your using a TMIC on a 13B-RE??
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:03 PM
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you really shouldnt be taking out loans for upgrades - usually that is referred to as not being able to AFFORD something, which usually results in not doing it
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:03 PM
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it's not set in stone yet, and it isn't necessarily going to be a tmic in stock location, but Rob (pineapple) and I are going to make something work until I get a fmic in a few months.

Oh, and you'll need the flywheel that bolts to that engine and the clutch that bolts to the tranny, IIRC
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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No IC and run meth/water

Or just run a FMIC, whatever.

Engine mount adaptors can be had at R.P.M. Motorsports (forum name R.P.M.) or banzai Racing or.....somewhere else that slips my mind.

Your N/A trans *will* work if you bolt up your N/A flywheel, but I'm unsure of the weight of the counter weights on the RE and it may be off, thus throwing the balance of the rotating assembly off. If not then you're fine.

Rad should be fine, but a koyo would be better. Stock oil cooler is fine also.

And from what I understand reading this post, you have taken out a bank loan for this project?
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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Oh, and you'll need the flywheel that bolts to that engine and the clutch that bolts to the tranny, IIRC
A clutch bolts to the tranny?
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gxl90rx7
you really shouldnt be taking out loans for upgrades - usually that is referred to as not being able to AFFORD something, which usually results in not doing it
& people wonder why there's a credit problem in this country I read an article today saying that the "Freshman 15" now refers to the $15,000 in credit card debt these idiots are carring after 1 year in school.

He'll be able to afford somestuff after he sells the motor

Why would one spend time adapting a SMIC or TMIC? I spent more time making pipes and mouting the damn thing than I care to admit. So in reality $100 - $200 for a crap ebizzle core is nothing.
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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Unless he has an S5 flywheel, he'll need to buy that as well. But in reality the RE should have a counterweight on the end of it so a few bones for any flywheel and he'll be good to go.

Hmmmm - lets see the bare bones needed for this swap.. so far as I can tell
motor $1200
rebuild $1200
flywheel $200
clutch $200
standalone $1500
any intercooler $200
engine mounts $250
Rad $300
fuel pump $150
exhaust CUSTOM $400

and so so so so sooooooooooooooooooooooooo many other little things that no-one will ever tell you about - so just for haha's there's $5600 right there and you took out a loan for the megafail and the motor - what $1500 maybe?

ohhhhhhhhhh yeah - got a connection overseas incase those turbo's are blown? Cuz I wasn't able to find someone reliable over here for parts. Oh yeah..... start researching parrellel conversions in the FD section too
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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A clutch bolts to the tranny?

ugg, long night. I meant one that works with the tranny, but still bolts up to the flywheel.
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:25 PM
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Why would one spend time adapting a SMIC or TMIC? I spent more time making pipes and mouting the damn thing than I care to admit. So in reality $100 - $200 for a crap ebizzle core is nothing.
Yes, that's why I said he needed a fmic. Mine's just temporary, seeing as I don't want to hassle with the tubing and such right now.

And to clear things up with my setup, I'm not doing a full swap (twins and such) but just the block.
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:33 PM
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No IC and run meth/water
i like your way of thinking...
probobly can get better temps with straight meth than with meth and IC
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:52 PM
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that logic makes no sense at all
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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tell me why, then I'll prove you wrong
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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your saying without a heat exhanger the intake charge will be cooler.
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 03:19 PM
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I'm saying that by using a chemical intercooler, with out a physical intercooler, your temps will be lower (lower than if using a physical intercooler)
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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I agree - but that's not what you said the first time. I read it as
Meth alone is less temps than meth with an IC -

So the OP has been lurking in this thread for 20 minutes now
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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i stand by that as well
the intercooler will be counter productive to the meth

but at that point, 2 stage would be wise

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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 03:26 PM
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mmkay

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