gerbraldy

Ok, I got a 88 rx7 vert. I've had the car for 6months and haven't had a "keyhole" just been sticking a screw driver in it to start. Anyway, turned off my car last night and I heard a little beep ,then alarm went off after 1min. The alarm has never done this before, What I"m asking is there anyway that I can get an alarm controller, The little keychain that controls your alarm? I'd really appreciate it if you had any info on the subject.

Thanks, Tony

Icemark

The factory alarm/security is only disarmed by using the key in the door.

It is armed by locking the drivers door and holding the outside handle up when closing the door.

There are no remote control systems from the factory on the FC

YellowT2

iTrader: (1)

fortunately you have an S4, so you can easily remove the factory alarm and install an aftermarket alarm with remote

Mint87RX7

what would cause one to go off even if you do use the key? the only way i can shut it off is to use the key in the trunk

88t2romad

disconnect the battery.......lol

i had to do that once

boogerboy

any specific brands? cause my alarm is very spastic, ive been called out o fclass like 4 times this month to turn off my alarm lol.

Icemark

If a factory alarm is mis triggering (and it is not a 10thAE), then you probably need to clean the latch switch contacts on the interior door latches. If they are dirty of out of alignment, then chances are that will cause the alarm to false trigger.

If the key in the door does not disarm the alarm, the the key switch is busted or disconected.

The Factory system is a superb system, and as good as anything aftermarket. Only someone that does not care about their car getting stolen would disable it intentionally instead of fixing the switches. If you want more security add an aftermarket keyless security system to work with the factory system, but the factory system is better than any keyless system you could buy.

casio

how is the stock system that superb? it takes 5 seconds to break into an RX7 (i recently did it with a notebook paper sized notepad; have also used a saw and a license plate on other occasions [all times my car]).
i'm not worried about this so much, though. my S5 factory alarmed recently stopped working altogether. the electric locks work, but the alarm doesnt turn on. i havent much worried about it, but i wish it would work.

gerbraldy

the stock alarm Is just as any aftermarket alarm, you cannot start your car when the alarm is going off, and that bitch is loud.. Thanks alot for all your info Icemark, greatly appreciated

Icemark

The stock system is to prevent the car from being stolen, not from being broken into.

No security system is designed to prevent entry, but rather to prevent the car from being stolen

Bob_The_Normal

Any recommendations on a simple piggyback remote for the stock alarm system Icemark?

And why did someone say thankfully he has an S4? Is the alarm different on an S5?

--Gary

Icemark

Are you going to install it yourself or have a shop do it??? The system I would recommend would be based off your reply.



and Yes the S4 security is radically better than the S5. On the S4 system it is a stand alone system with dedicated plug. You can tap any aftermarket security system onto the factory plug and get 90% of the wiring.

But on the S5 they built the security into the CPU. So if you ever wanted to replace or update or anything, you would need to replace or rewire at the CPU.

casio

yes, but that 5 seconds to break into the car tricks the alarm into thinking a key was used. the alarm is disengaged, the door is unlocked, and now the car is completely accessible. aftermarket alarms go off before the door is opened. i dont know about their ignition cutoff, but complete auto theft was never a worry of mine. i've always only worried about material items inside the car.

Icemark

I do not know of any aftermarket alarms that go off until the door is opened, unless something is broken (like a window) first. Either way if you think a security system is for protecting the contents of the car you are truly operating under a major illusion.

Simply breaking the window and reaching in is all any theft needs to take any of the contents. Even with a system going off, he will be gone before you can do anything about it. A security system serves one and only purpose... to prevent the car from being stolen. Not the contents.

And if your alarm is disarming by you jamming something down the door, then your key switches are bad or not working correctly. Only turning the key in the door (or trunk on some years) should disarm it. If it disarms with jimming the door, your key switch is broken.

*Edit< in fact the Mazda factory security system should trigger if you jimmy the door unlocked with anything but the key. That your's is not, clearly suggests that your system is in need of repair or you never armed the system in the first place.

SpeedyRotary

Ok I have a 10th Anny. Why is it different from a regular S4 alarm system? I don't really think mine works, I've never heard it beep but i've seen the security light blink when I lock it up. Also, should I be able to lock both doors via the driverside door lock? I'd really like to get my system up and going just for a little peace of mind. Thanks!

casio

youre telling me youve never heard an alarm go off and not seen damage to a car? they go off if you get too fresh with the car. some are so sensitive they have an area around them that you cant get near (though that can be a bit of overkill).
and no, its not a major illusion. my neighborhood has had theft do it's rounds. i heard my alarm go off once, ran outside and heard a car speeding away. had i not had the alarm, i probably would have lost a stereo has a few cars in the neighborhood did. its not an illusion. i dont even much care for my alarm to work as much as i just want the blinking light to work. why? because its that much more difficult for a petty thief (as about 99%, it seems, car thieves are) to break into.
as for the alarm disengaging, i was told this a long time ago and it also worked for me. you slide something down the window, outside the car (good likelihood that an aftermarket alarm would have either beeped or gone off by now) and the car supposedly thinks that a key was used to unlock the car. if i was given bad information, fine. you may very well be correct as you normally are. but i still cant agree that the factory alarm is as good as an aftermarket. albeit decent it may be.
do we need to do a poll of people with alarms breaking into their own car via something long, thin and hard enough to unlock the door to see if anyone's alarm doesn't disengage? if anything, i'd like to know how many people's actually work as youve described.

Icemark

These are not stock systems, and incorrectly installed. My vert which uses a feild sensor that is properly set up and will not trigger unless you reach inside the car, however it will warn, if someone pauses too long looking in the wondows. If you walk by a car or a truck driving by sets the system off, it is incorrectly installed, and/or adjusted (probably by some clueless installer). Either way, that is something that you do not have to worry about with the factory system.

My former experience of installing car alarms and electronics for 17 years as well as working for the largest manufacture of security and audio systems in the world for 6 years, makes me disagree with you. Perhaps in your neck of the woods this is the case, of simple and amateur theifts, but I must assure you that your story and neighborhood is by far the minority. Again, it would be a very simple thing to open the door set the alarm off, kick the consol apart and remove the radio (more so if you use some of the lame aftermarket radio kits from crutchfeild/metra/etc) and run off. Heck I have seen cars with the seats stolen in less than 30 seconds (the average time needed for owner response to a security system being trigggered). But again maybe the thiefts in your area are not experienced with this.

Ah, no. Simply sliding down a slim jim or something else down the door would most likely never ever be picked up by an aftermarket security system (unlike the stock alarm, which does have protection against slim jim or other jimmy tools)

See the factory alarm disarms only by the switch on the key cyl. If the door is unlocked by slim jim, or coat hanger or what ever, it will set off the factory system.

No aftermarket system would trigger unless there was a malfunction or mis adjustment of an optional feild sensor, or you had one of the old Alpine 8100/01 or 8120/21/22 systems with the actual microphones installed into the door. The first any aftermarket system would trigger (other than the ones just mentioned above) would be if either the window was broken or the door opened.

Either way again if you can disarm the factory alarm, by opening the door without using the key. It has a broken switch and is need of repair or was never armed in the first place.

Try arming the stock system with the window down... once it is armed, unlock the door by reaching in and to the latch. The properly armed/working factory alarm will trigger if the door is unlocked without using the key.

You can waste your time with a poll in the polls or audio section, however, it seems there are more people like you that don't either know how thier alarm works (a failure to read the owners manual I am assuming) or have a damaged or broken and unmaintained system, that it would quite skew the results.

Icemark

Most models of the 10thAE had a Ultrasonic sensor added onto the standard 88 Mazda security brain. These were designed to set up a invisable feild inside the car and trigger on movement. Unfortantly with the older Ultrasonics, leaving the windows down, or sunroof open often cause the system to trigger, as it detected the movement of air through the passengers compartment.

As far as arming, once the ignition key has been turned off, open a door, lock the latch switches (the interior locks) and then close the door while holding the exterior door handle up. Releasing the handle only after the door has closed.

When you locked both latch switches the security light should have come on solid. It will start blinking fast after the door is closed and then once every 3 seconds when it is finally armed. Times of the security light will vary depending on model year.

When armed the system kills the starter (with an underhood relay- unlike 90% of aftermarket alarms, where the installer just puts the kill relay right under the steering column- nice and easy for a theft to get too).

When triggered the security system will honk the horn (hard to get to- again unlike most aftermarket security systems, where the horn is easily found underhood) and flashes the hazard lights. Again a nice feature often missed with aftermarket systems, that if a theft broke the turn signal bulb and shorted it, it would not blow the fuse for the security system, as it is on a different circuit (again most aftermarket systems, have the parking light flashing wire getting its power from the same lead as the alarm brain).

The disarm is by using the key in the door (or on some model years, the key in the hatch/trunk or passengers door) and turning it to the unlock position.

casio

i need to learn how to do the multi-quotes in one box.. =/

"Ah, no. Simply sliding down a slim jim or something else down the door would most likely never ever be picked up by an aftermarket security system (unlike the stock alarm, which does have protection against slim jim or other jimmy tools)"

okay, so an aftermarket alarm can go off by driving by (certain cars with exhaust), but its not sensitive to pick up someone picking the lock?

"Try arming the stock system with the window down... once it is armed, unlock the door by reaching in and to the latch. The properly armed/working factory alarm will trigger if the door is unlocked without using the key."

i know this method doesnt work which is why i listed the other method. the whole time i've been referring to unlocking the car while the window was up using something from the outside reaching down between the window and the door.

"You can waste your time with a poll in the polls or audio section, however, it seems there are more people like you that don't either know how thier alarm works (a failure to read the owners manual I am assuming) or have a damaged or broken and unmaintained system, that it would quite skew the results."

thank you for listing me in the clueless section of people. indeed, you are correct. i don't know the entire alarm system as it came with the car and i never looked into it. its true, i dont know my car inside and out. i learn things when they come up. recently my alarm died altogether (thought i mentioned earlier in this thread; not that i expect you to remember every word), so maybe i'll learn something else about it while dealing with it. but the factory manual doesn't give answers to all a car's problems. unknown problems occur after the car's manual is written. something tells me "the factory alarm disarms only by the switch on the key cyl; If the door is unlocked by slim jim, or coat hanger or what ever, it will set off the factory system" isn't in the factory manual (though i could be wrong, i havent checked), but this is your knowing. maybe the person who happened to have the same apparent problem i was having (before the alarm stopped working altogether) thought that was how the alarm functioned because of how it was acting. guess he learned incorrectly.
thanks for your input, always a pleasure. now if only you'd gimme some input in my CEL thread. i would have held the white flag a long time ago for your input there.

Bob_The_Normal

Icemark: I have an S5 N/A and I would like your personal opinion on whether I could install a remote system myself properly or if it'd be cheaper for me to have it done.

I don't like having other people work on my things though, I like to know how everything works so if there is ever a problem I can fix it myself quickly...

I'm not electrically retarded or experienced... just inbetween. I can use common sense, reading and some studying up on my old auto electronics / electronics 101 books.

I mean, I'm doing a rebuild from scratch... the most I'd done before this rebuild was change the brakes... and so far it's going pretty good. ;P

So since you're obviously really experienced in this field, can you give me a run down of the pro's, con's and costs of basically getting a remote control for the stock alarm in my S5 N/A, seeing as you pointed out some very good things about it (under-hood relay that can't just be ripped out)?

--Gary

Icemark

Hey Gary,

Yes I would think most people that would switch out a radio or trouble shoot a coil should be able to install an additional keyless or remote system without too much trouble. I have posted the wire colors and where to find them in the past. I'll try and search for them this afternoon, or you can search using my name and alarm wires (I didn't remember if I posted them here in the 2nd gen section or in the interior/exterior/audid section). It has the factory arm and disarm wiring as well, so you can have both alarms working to protect your car from being stolen if you want.

The big key is to use proper crimp style commections (or solder connections if you do not have skills with a hand crimp tool) and to cover the wiring (both to protect the wires from sight, but also to provide extra strength to the connections), and to avoid using Scotch Lock (sometimes call T-taps, or Botch lock) connections. Botch lock connections fail way way too easy, even for an experienced installer.

Also the aftermarket system should be set up properlly so that cars or trucks driving by do not set off the shock sensor. If a loud exhaust is setting off the shock sensor, the system has not been installed correctly, and needs to be fixed. PM me when you get to that point and I can point you on how to set up shock sensors or feild sensors.

If you are doing the system yourself, I actually recommend some of the better DEI Hornet systems. The Hornet line from DEI is designed for the do it yourselfer, and comes with instructions. The warrenty is only 1 year, but if there is a problem it will show up in the first 3 months anyway, and the Hornet line is made in the same factory with the same parts as the Viper, Clifford, Python lines. Don't get the entry level system. Expect to pay at least $150-$300 for a good system that you install yourself (or $300-$500 for a professionally installed system).

marlaman

Actually there was an article a while ago that i saw in some african magazine (a coworker of mine is from Sudan) and she explained to me that this ad for an anti-theft device would spray flames out of pipes below the drivers side and passengers side rear doors.
I think you should have said "No security system in the US is designed to prevent entry."
LOL mark ever seen or heard of what i'm talking about?
Matt

Icemark

Yes, I have seen that in operation. The last I heard was the company manufacturing it was being sued (even in South Africa) for a couple different things.

SpeedyRotary

Thanks Icemark. I was wondering what would be the best way to make sure everything is functional on an AE's alarm system? I would like to go through it all eventually to get it running to par. Thanks again!

bcbjj

ok, so if i have an aftermarket keyless entry that doesn't include an alarm does that mean that i can arm the stock alarm by getting out hold the handle up and using the remote? or do i have to lock the door before closing? and after armed do i understand correctly that i can't disarm the alarm without using the key? basically i guess what i'm asking is at this point i can either use the factory alarm or the remote lock but not both?