garlic

Hello,

I was cruising around tonight, and my clutch completly stopped engaging the flywheel. Now I have known for some time that the clutch was on its way out and really shouldn't of been driving, but I thought, whats the worst that could happen...

well I found out.

Basically to describe what happened a bit better, when slowing down there was no mechanical braking, as soon as I took my foot off the accelerator, the engine would drop to idle. When I parked, I tested it by putting the car in gear and let the clutch out.. no effect whatso ever.. car idled normally

So I though, ok, I will just limp it home. I ended up having to rev out to 5-6g in first before I got any movement at all, and after about 10ks of this sort of driving (city driving too) no matter how high I revved it, it just wouldnt go forward...

ok, after the epic, my question, have I destroyed something other than the clutch here? (flywheel, gearbox?)

(note.. I had the car booked in for a clutch replacement on monday... just a weekend to late it would seem...)

thanks for your help!

Michael

igottafc

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my guess is that your clutch is probably worn completely to the metal back and is starting to grind right into your flywheel. I would not start or try to move the car at all. Its possible for fly wheels to get scoured to a pointe where you cannot re-surface them which means your going to need to get a new one.

Digi7ech

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The only item you could have hurt would be the throw out bearing and the flywheel.

If your clutch was that bad I bet you had some decent burning of the clutch which probably left scorch mark son your flywheel. ALso yo might have scoring if it is worn completely down.

Pull the tranny and take the clutch and flywheel off.
Then take the flywheel to a clutch place. They can resurface the flywheel or tell you if it's scrap.

iceblue

When your clutch goes you just can not disenguage the clutch. This being the exsact oposit that you ar exsperiancing. Perhaps the hydrolic fork broke off iside or bad slave cylinder. Any time you do work on trany/clutch you should replace the throwout baring. when replacing clutch and presure plate you need to resurface the flywheel as well.

koireland

That is not true. My clutch went out completely in my daily driver, and it was exactly like what he explained. I had to tow it home, but there was no other damage. The clutch was so shredded it looked like a mouse nest.

garlic

thanks for the info guys... I have maz-fix looking at it today, so it should be intereting to see what they pull out...

will report back..

Digi7ech

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Wrong.
If the hydraulics fail then the car will default into engaged.

If the clutch fails due to wear then it will shift and start fine but it will take more effort for the power to be applied to the wheels and you will also notice and increase in rpm yet very slow mile per hour increase.

The oh so familiar smell will most likely be there too.

slpin

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pretending to know what you are talking about again?
if it is bad slave cylinder, then it would be engage the whole time. infact, all the examples you state would mean the clutch works nad is fully engaged.


if you want to be cheap, just bolt on a puck clutch and drive it... ignore the messed up flywheel surface... it would still work... thats what i did, had to save money to get the t2 drivetrain!

iceblue

plz jr. Have you even rebuilt a clutch? The slave can go bad and not alow you to disenguage the clutch thus hard time placing in gear. As well as a the fork causing the same isue not going into gear hard shifting. His isue is as if the clutch will not enguage. A bad presure plate more then likely. When a clutch enguages you then can drive, this is the plates seperating from the metals or the puck not releasing from the presure plate. When a clutch is going bad the symptoms are not being able to shift into gear easaly or slow accel do to slipping. His is just major sliping all the time sounds like a bad presure plate to me so what I gave him some extra NFO to look at like the fork and slave a good idea for sure.

And advise like dont resurface the flywheel wtf is that? ok yea lets just totaly rune our new clutch costing more money and adding clutch chatter sounds real smart to me other then a $45 resurface charge. Just replacing the disk in this case or any case is just dumb and wont even work if there is another issue other then the disk itsself as allways the throwout baring and presure plate should be replaced.

aznpoopy

no. when the slave cylinder goes bad, you will no longer be able to *disengage* the clutch. it will always be engaged. the reason you're having trouble shifting is because the clutch is still engaged. you're basically attempting to clutchless shift.

problem is probably a busted clutch disk. he said it was slipping for a long time before it went out. it's not like he suddenly lost his clutch in one night.

not that it matters. you want to replace it all anyway. replace both bearings, pressure plate, clutch disk. and don't skimp on a 35 dollar flywheel resurfacing charge. check / bleed your hydraulics and check the fork while you're fixing ****. that's a no brainer.

iceblue

You got my post right befor I edited it lol I saw I posted enguage insted of disenguage. But yea thats perity much what I posted.

slpin

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iceblue...
no, i have not rebuilt a worn out clutch disc... have YOU?
show me how you did... id LOVE to see.

a fork that doesnt work will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip
a slave cylinder that is dead will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip, not let it shift

i am saying he could just slap on a used puck clutch if he wants to be very cheap... not that i recommend it - just ideas.... his flywheel might not be able to be able to be surfaced anyways?

and... have you ever slap on a used puck clutch on a pos flywheel to use for temporary until you can afford correct parts... it doesnt really chatter

i cant believe i am paying taxes just to give uneducated people like you internet access to be an ******* on the net...

iceblue

This coming form someone who didnt resurface there flywhel


yes fork being mis adjusted or broken will leave car in enguaged mode

No I never placed a part in just to get buy other then testing purposes. I replace the whol thing if short on cash it sits untill evrything gets replaced. Do it right!

Umm yea replaced meany. I resurfaced fly wheel and replaced clutch presure plate and throwout baring. Since the trany is down I go ahead and replace the syncros. On my bikes I replaces the basket presur disk metals and fibers. And then upgrade to billit aluminum baskets and plates $900

You give me money? I dont colect money for ****. So keep paying your taxes so that a minority may eat tonight.

garlic

w00t my first thread **** fight!!!

unfortunately I am not a mechanic (or have the tools to try and be one) so it is locked away in the shop ready for a looksee on monday (damn maz-fix and their race schedule causing them to be closed this saterday...)

I will let everyone know what the go is on monday.. when I get the report back

iceblue

Your welcome. As long as your enjoying it its your thred ;-)

slpin

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that still did not answer my question... how did you rebuild your clutch disc
you said you rebuild it, show me how you rebuilt it. replacing a clutch is NOT rebuilding it... it is... replacing it.


garlic, let us know how it turns out! my flywheel is completely fucked from a dead clutch disc... scratched and rubbed, warpped, banged up so bad that you can feel its wavy surface anyway you want... the pressure plate looks good though...



oh iceblue... learn some english... what are you, a high school dropout?

iceblue

Get one thing straight. You put jack **** on my table. Ive posted my education search no need to do again for a pointless post.

Next you do not rebuilt clutches I hope you do know this. You replace! Commenting that ive or someones rebuilt one this is what they refer too.

Rebuilding the silinder you can not the clutch. Like I said I replaced the parts with new ones like you are sapost to do. And fanagle a rig like just a fiber plate never!

I am one of the people who never do and **** talk you say? No I have not rebuilt a rotary yet. Will be soon. Other than that if its on a car or disel N/A ive rebuilt or replaced it or rebuilt it with my dad bottum line.

slpin

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there you go... read your old post, you pretend to know everything and asked if i have rebuilt a clutch, then the next few posts saying how you have rebuit one and i havent...and now you say you cant rebuild a clutch

so what you have rebuilt things? i have done mine, my friends, my friends friends engine... and you know what, i do the work too... my dad dont do it, i dont do it with anyone. you have no bragging rights... go paint your brake calipers...

or finish high school...

iceblue

There you go again incapable of comprehension. Plz try reading over again maybe the light will dawn on you. Just incase you miss it your next time around dont feel bad to go over it one more time just for good mesures.

Edit: Ahh hell it may be over your head so I will just put it in blinde sight one more time.

Next you do not rebuilt clutches I hope you do know this. You replace! Commenting that ive or someones rebuilt one this is what they refer too.

slpin

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i am incapable of comprehension... ha... ok... whatever...
you cant even spell cylinder... why do i even waste my time with you and lower to your level...
practice sucking dicks soon... so you will earn a living... if i am your dad and i have to deal with your ****... i would slit my wrists 10 times over.

iceblue

oh wait one more time Ok yea thats about right hold on hold on There we go. So thats the best we have to offer anymore man I keep coming across thows . Plz have something to post ontopic next time it would be most ideal.

WonkoTheSane

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For the first on-topic post In about 10... My friend had an extremely slipping clutch (worst I've driven, yet), it ended up wearing down to the rivets, and putting a huge gouge in his flywheel.. although on that car it was an aluminum flywheel, whereas I believe ours are steel. I dont' think it would have happened wtih steel, but you never know. just doublecheck and make sure theres no scoring.

Actually, I guess Maz will take care of that for you

iceblue

Yea our stock ones are steal.

Digi7ech

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I didn't resurface my flywheel when I installed my clutch 2k miles ago :P :P
The FW wasn't scored or burned so it was still relatively good.

Yeah I got lazy. I should have gotten it done but after the pilot bearing puller destroy but left the pilot bearing in I started to get a little agitated.

RoadRaceJosh

Ice,

You're still around huh? I thought you got banned. You sure took a beating in the thread you started about your girlfriend seeing a rotary in a Firebird. Unless you start using a spelling and grammar check the beatings will continue. Use your education or continue to loose respect.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=429082

Steal flywheel; good lord.