Cluster Switch Wiring Diagrams/Pin Info
Cluster Switch Wiring Diagrams/Pin Info
Im using a painless wiring kit to create a wiring harness for my car and i've gotten to the point where im trying to tie in the cluster switches for headlights and turn signals etc. I need help however in figuring out where I need to connect the wires to on the actual switches themselves. Im average at best in reading these wiring diagrams and Im having a tough time with this section....if anyone can help in this it would be greatly appreciated!
Also on the ignition switch, (going off of page 15-9 in the FSM) Where does the connector with the K1, K2, L and E run to? And is IG1 and IG2 for the 2 coils? The reason I ask is they only give me one wire for the coil so im not sure if I can tie them together or if I need to run a second wire.
Also on the ignition switch, (going off of page 15-9 in the FSM) Where does the connector with the K1, K2, L and E run to? And is IG1 and IG2 for the 2 coils? The reason I ask is they only give me one wire for the coil so im not sure if I can tie them together or if I need to run a second wire.
Last edited by ramello; Oct 15, 2008 at 08:36 AM.
HAILERS
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Kinda does not work like you seem to think.
You go to START and the ignition key sends batt power to the IG2 buss, on the Interior Fuse box, who's fuses in turn feed the Main Relay's coil and the Circuit Opening relays coil.
The Main Relay pulls in and feeds power from the EGI fuse(s) on the engine bay fuse box, to the power wire on the coil(s).
When you go to Start, only IG2 and the Battery busses are powered up on the interior fuse box.
Let the key go back to ON, and all the busses on the interior fuse box are powered up.
Things on the BATT buss have power on them all the time, even with the key out of the ignition.
The BLACK wire on the ignition leads is power coming from the engine bay fuse box.
The Black/White wire on the ignition leads powers up the IG2 buss in the interior fuse box.
The Blue wire on the ignition leads powers ACC buss in the interior fuse box.
The Black/Red wire on the igniton leads feeds the Ig1 buss on the interior fuse box.
The Black/Blue feeds the starter.
ALL the above colors are on the harness that attaches to the igniton lead wire. They are NOT the colors of the wires on the ignition switch pigtail. Those are meaninless to me.
The other busses do not have power if the key is in your pocket. Only when the key is turned to the correct positon.
K1 and K2 are just key reminder BS nonsense if memory serves.
You go to START and the ignition key sends batt power to the IG2 buss, on the Interior Fuse box, who's fuses in turn feed the Main Relay's coil and the Circuit Opening relays coil.
The Main Relay pulls in and feeds power from the EGI fuse(s) on the engine bay fuse box, to the power wire on the coil(s).
When you go to Start, only IG2 and the Battery busses are powered up on the interior fuse box.
Let the key go back to ON, and all the busses on the interior fuse box are powered up.
Things on the BATT buss have power on them all the time, even with the key out of the ignition.
The BLACK wire on the ignition leads is power coming from the engine bay fuse box.
The Black/White wire on the ignition leads powers up the IG2 buss in the interior fuse box.
The Blue wire on the ignition leads powers ACC buss in the interior fuse box.
The Black/Red wire on the igniton leads feeds the Ig1 buss on the interior fuse box.
The Black/Blue feeds the starter.
ALL the above colors are on the harness that attaches to the igniton lead wire. They are NOT the colors of the wires on the ignition switch pigtail. Those are meaninless to me.
The other busses do not have power if the key is in your pocket. Only when the key is turned to the correct positon.
K1 and K2 are just key reminder BS nonsense if memory serves.
Last edited by HAILERS; Oct 15, 2008 at 02:30 PM.
Great info
Except I dont have much of the factory harness to work with
I attached the diagram from the FSM that im working with and the chart from the painless wiring kit im using
It looks like I have everything right except im unsure of the Orange and Brown wires from my kit, or essentially what would I connect to IG1 and IG2
The lines I drew are my best guesses on how it should work....
What im finding as well is "E" terminals are typically grounds, is there a required ground for the ignition switch? If so is this where I connect it???
Any thoughts on the cluster switches?
Except I dont have much of the factory harness to work with
I attached the diagram from the FSM that im working with and the chart from the painless wiring kit im using
It looks like I have everything right except im unsure of the Orange and Brown wires from my kit, or essentially what would I connect to IG1 and IG2
The lines I drew are my best guesses on how it should work....
What im finding as well is "E" terminals are typically grounds, is there a required ground for the ignition switch? If so is this where I connect it???
Any thoughts on the cluster switches?
HAILERS
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The colors I put on the ignition switch plugs in the first jpg, match the colors in the second jpg.
The second jpg shows where those **COLORS** go to once they leave the switch. They FEED the interior fuse box. Each **COLOR** feeds a seperate bank of fuses. Then those fuses in the interior fuse box feed other items in the car.
I might do the K1/K2 etc later. They're just junk imho. Like two are for THEFT and go to the CPU. Ignition reminder switch or something like that. See the THEFT diagram.
The second jpg shows where those **COLORS** go to once they leave the switch. They FEED the interior fuse box. Each **COLOR** feeds a seperate bank of fuses. Then those fuses in the interior fuse box feed other items in the car.
I might do the K1/K2 etc later. They're just junk imho. Like two are for THEFT and go to the CPU. Ignition reminder switch or something like that. See the THEFT diagram.
Last edited by HAILERS; Oct 15, 2008 at 09:52 PM.
I understood all of that...
Except I dont even have the stock fuse box
Essentially in this kit im using the red and brown wires feed all of the fuses
Im just not sure what to hook the pink and orange wires to....
maybe they go to something not in the ignition switch?
Except I dont even have the stock fuse box
Essentially in this kit im using the red and brown wires feed all of the fuses
Im just not sure what to hook the pink and orange wires to....
maybe they go to something not in the ignition switch?
HAILERS
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Naw. Your missing something here. You have to have power from the battery going into the ignition switch. That is done on the *B* (Red). It sits there all day long.
You turn to ACC, and it's like on any car, only things for Acc work. Like a radio (Brown). It's being fed from the *B*.
You turn to ON, and *B* feeds IG1, IG2 and ACC from the *B*.
You turn to Start, and *B* feeds St and IG1 only, the IG2 and ACC won't be fed as long as the key is to Start. So, the coils and ECU plus fuel pump has to be fed from the IG1, plus anything else that is required for starting the engine.
The IG2 and ACC will be feeding things not required for starting the engine, whatever they are. Wellllll, what they feed, on a regular car, are the items on the fuse box cover that are colored Blue and Violet in my jpgs above.
No ground needed for the ignition switch at all.
Last edited by HAILERS; Oct 16, 2008 at 04:44 AM.
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I have the battery connected to the ignition switch, that is my red wire....
If you read across on my chart it says ignition switch B+ the B+ stands for battery positive
My brown wire feeds all of the ACC fuses in my fuse box....my fuse box isnt split into different banks because for example my box doesnt have a fuse for (looking at the purple bank) Fog, Seat Belt, or ABS, (Looking at the blue) Rear wiper, soft top, sun roof, and I could continue with some of the differences but basically my car wont have these features anyways. Its a RHD import that has no sunroof, i dont want a rear wiper, and im not running ABS etc. So any fuse that would be considered an ACC is on that brown wire.
The tech support at Painless said that Pink needs to have power to it during crank and run so that leads me to believe than it needs to be on IG1
He also said that orange only needs power during run so that leads me to believe it needs to be on IG2
And since purple is running to the starter solenoid that should be connected to ST
The key reminder etc (K1 and K2) I have no wiring for or room in my fuse box etc so im not worried about it. If L and E are also related than im not worried about them either, ill just cap the plug and be done with it.
If you read across on my chart it says ignition switch B+ the B+ stands for battery positive
My brown wire feeds all of the ACC fuses in my fuse box....my fuse box isnt split into different banks because for example my box doesnt have a fuse for (looking at the purple bank) Fog, Seat Belt, or ABS, (Looking at the blue) Rear wiper, soft top, sun roof, and I could continue with some of the differences but basically my car wont have these features anyways. Its a RHD import that has no sunroof, i dont want a rear wiper, and im not running ABS etc. So any fuse that would be considered an ACC is on that brown wire.
The tech support at Painless said that Pink needs to have power to it during crank and run so that leads me to believe than it needs to be on IG1
He also said that orange only needs power during run so that leads me to believe it needs to be on IG2
And since purple is running to the starter solenoid that should be connected to ST
The key reminder etc (K1 and K2) I have no wiring for or room in my fuse box etc so im not worried about it. If L and E are also related than im not worried about them either, ill just cap the plug and be done with it.
Last edited by ramello; Oct 16, 2008 at 09:31 AM.
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Naw. Your missing something here. You have to have power from the battery going into the ignition switch. That is done on the *B* (Red). It sits there all day long.
You turn to ACC, and it's like on any car, only things for Acc work. Like a radio (Brown). It's being fed from the *B*.
You turn to ON, and *B* feeds IG1, IG2 and ACC from the *B*.
You turn to Start, and *B* feeds St and IG1 only, the IG2 and ACC won't be fed as long as the key is to Start. So, the coils and ECU plus fuel pump has to be fed from the IG1, plus anything else that is required for starting the engine.
The IG2 and ACC will be feeding things not required for starting the engine, whatever they are. Wellllll, what they feed, on a regular car, are the items on the fuse box cover that are colored Blue and Violet in my jpgs above.
No ground needed for the ignition switch at all.
Naw. Your missing something here. You have to have power from the battery going into the ignition switch. That is done on the *B* (Red). It sits there all day long.
You turn to ACC, and it's like on any car, only things for Acc work. Like a radio (Brown). It's being fed from the *B*.
You turn to ON, and *B* feeds IG1, IG2 and ACC from the *B*.
You turn to Start, and *B* feeds St and IG1 only, the IG2 and ACC won't be fed as long as the key is to Start. So, the coils and ECU plus fuel pump has to be fed from the IG1, plus anything else that is required for starting the engine.
The IG2 and ACC will be feeding things not required for starting the engine, whatever they are. Wellllll, what they feed, on a regular car, are the items on the fuse box cover that are colored Blue and Violet in my jpgs above.
No ground needed for the ignition switch at all.
That written above describes YOUR jpg which is attached with this post. It describes how that ignition switch works.
My other posts and jpgs describe how a RX-7 ignitoin key relates to the interior fuse box and power to the starter.
Last edited by HAILERS; Oct 16, 2008 at 01:01 PM.
Thanks a bunch for your help! I really appreciate it.
But now that this one is ironed out....
How about the cluster switches for turn signals, wipers, and lights...
But now that this one is ironed out....
How about the cluster switches for turn signals, wipers, and lights...
alrite how about this for starters
this is what I have been able to piece together so far from reading the diagrams and pin outs
Anyone out there think this looks good or can help me figure the rest out?
Once again the chart is from my install manual from painless wiring
Hopefully it makes sense, I added a column at the end as to where the wires are connecting to, the ones that are missing info in there I havnt figured out yet
this is what I have been able to piece together so far from reading the diagrams and pin outs
Anyone out there think this looks good or can help me figure the rest out?
Once again the chart is from my install manual from painless wiring
Hopefully it makes sense, I added a column at the end as to where the wires are connecting to, the ones that are missing info in there I havnt figured out yet
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