toiletfetussushi

I guess Ill just go with the haltech. thanks for the info everyone.

sub9lulu

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can i add 50 and trade u a LT-8s ?

Dan H

lol I wished I had money right now but then again, I won't be using the standalone for a while if I got one.

How's your car coming along since you've added the LT8?

jon88se

Why not? It just makes things easier. The ECU is now programmed to recognize larger injectors and will pull more timing under boost. The ECU controls these larger injectors without playing with timing unlike an SAFC does. The way I see it, you could throw in an Rtek 1.7, go even larger than 720cc's and use your SAFC to tune. The advantage is that you won't be fooling the ECU as much as you would be if running an SAFC and injectors alone. This means you're timing control isn't as hokey

Pocketlogger is coming out with more upgrades which include datalogging capability with a palm pilot, along with fuel and timing control through the palm pilot and I believe (don't quote me on this) selectable base maps for various injector setups. Based on their current prices, these versions will be the absolute bang for the buck in terms of engine management on an FC.

hondahater

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I agree

Ni5mo180SX

One thing to take into important consideration which I didnt see mentioned much when I was browsing to make a purchase is user support. I bought the Microtech LT8-S and i've been **** out of luck since I bought this unit for any kind of competent support which has left a very sour taste in my mouth.

Im having problems left and right with no real solutions and after all my searching haven't found a single professional shop to have everything tuned at. Theres plenty of people who will give you shade tree advice or "street" tuning solutions. If thats what you're happy with then go for it. Luckily, Steve Kan helped me out quite a bit at Sevenstock and the cars been running a little better since then.

By the way, im saying this in application to the Microtech and Haltech as I would enquire about both when calling shops to find out if they do tuning.

Radial GT

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With the Microtech you can save for differnet configs in it's memory. Only problem with the microtech you have to do some learning on your own.

ReTed, you make it sound like switching engines has a big effect on the computer. Have you even operated a Microtech....

gsracer

How often do you plan on changing engine types?

I think that's a pretty mute point right there. Haltech still has much more customer support in the states; and while it has a little more flexability, the lt8 will do just fine for most turbo fc owners.

My biggest beef with the haltech is the old school DOS user interface.

RETed

If we were stuck with a Microtech, we wouldn't have been able to swap from a 13BT to a Honda H22A to a Cosmo 20B in a matter of a couple weeks for FREE.

Please, you don't want to get into a debate on this.
Have you messed with a Haltech before?
I've messed with an older MT-8( might've been an LT-8, since it did control ignition also) on a Kouki FC Turbo.
It was a piece of junk, and a noted west coast shop could not get it running.
We ripped it out and stuffed a Haltech E6K in it and got it to fire on the first try.


-Ted

RETed

See previous reply...
As I was associated with a shop before, it was a HUGE plus for us when we were experimenting with the units on several customer vehicles.
It also adds to resale value if you ever want to get rid of it, since you're not restricted to the current Microtech configuration; most buyers would shy away if you mentioned the unit has to be sent to Australia to change configurations.

Currently, the E6X and E11V2 both have Windows version programs available.


-Ted

z06killer

There another E.M.S out there Folks that works with our cars nicely

Specs:

Control up to 16 fuel injectors :
Suitable for 2 and 4 stroke piston engines up to 8 cylinders as well as 2 and 3 rotor engines. cabable of driving up to 8 low impedence injectors or 16 High impedance injectors.
512 Programmable fuel injection points :
uses 512 adjustable load sites, 16 load load sites every 500rpm up to 16000 rpm while any load value between these points is mathematically calculated to give the precise injection time required. Each point can be adjusted with 64uS resolution allowing for accurate control over fuel delivery.

Numerous fuel injection modes :
User selectable injection modes such as Simultaneous, Grouped, Staged and Sequential give the flexibiltly to cater for all applications.

Comprehensive correction maps :
Mappable corrections for parameters such as Engine Temperature, Air Temperature, Battery Voltage as well as programmable setting for Throttle Enrichment allows the user to achieve the optimum tune for the engine.

Advanced tuning features :
has many features designed to aid the tuner in programming the system. The Fuel Trim option, available in both software and external hardware configuration allows the tuner to quicky determine the fuel requirements. The individual cylinder trim function coupled with EGT measurement allows the balancing of the cylinders to maximise engine performance. Other input sensors such as the wide band oxygen sensor allow the display of air fuel ratio in both numeric and graphical forms.

Dual mapping functions :
also allows for a second map to be stored in its memory and can be accessed via a switch without the need for a laptop. All maps can be protected by a password which allows the tuner to ensure their work cannot be altered. All the parameters can be datalogged to either its internal memory or to the laptop and can be used to assist in setup and diagnostics of the application.

Powerful output controls :
provides the user four programmable output fuctions which can be used to trigger warning alarms or functions such as cooling fans, fuel pump relay etc. Three general purpose inputs are also provided to allow the user to connect auxilary sensors or use them as digital inputs.

Easy trouble shooting :
On board diagnostics alert the user to any sensor failure or system problem which is represented via an on board led. These fault conditions are stored in the ECU memory and can be accessed by connecting the laptop. Output functions can also be tested to ensure correct operation.


extra option includes:
a EGT interface that can log/display 8 thats right upto 8! EGT sensors and you can set a alarm

also a external lockable trick looking ****
windows based software with gauges etc

Theres so many EMS's out there
beware of those cough* cough* that push only one E.M.S they usually have a financial reason why there pushing that EMS

RETed

Would be nice to get a brand and price?


-Ted

z06killer

price is a bit over those on a tight budget I think Ted
between E6X and upto E11 depending on extras

it is a BRAND NEW E.M.S that just came out recently
designed in America...I might add

The market for EMS's is getting HOT the more the better for us consumers

give me a sec
I'll post a small vid of a Drag Rotary TII using this EMS

ok here just to prove it exists and works on rotary's 7.4 1/4 13B
right click plz

small vid

toiletfetussushi

and who makes it??? and how much is over a tight budget?

z06killer

check out teamfc3s.org/forum group buy section
there is a great price on a Microtech LT8s you won't due better

I have a LTx8 and I love it
easy to tune(hard of course for those that have O clue to engine function)

RETed

Judging from the name of the file, it's Sakura?
Dude, the video doesn't prove jack ****.
It's some movie of a burnout.
How do you prove a different aftermarket EMS is powering that thing?

I only know of one possible new EMS manufacturer out there.
Are they from silicon valley in Cali?

I'd seriously question tech support from a brand new EMS manufacturer.
I'd also seriously question warranty and customer support for such a new unit.
I'd also seriously question reliabiliy for such a new unit.

Price and specs are not the only thing that determine if a particular aftermarket EMS is right for you...


-Ted

NZConvertible

z06killer, how about you stop dicking around and say what it is. This is a technical forum not a kids guessing game...

toiletfetussushi

as far as piggyback is the HKS fcon any good? I had a friend who had that computer on his rx7

Sesshoumaru

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it's just controls fuel like the safc. It does what it's suppose to do. Most of it is user anyway.

z06killer

here...lol
BTW every EMS has to start somewere so its not fair to judge it Ted just cause its new..

AEM was new and it has proved itself
I have not seen a EMS company close yet
so theres a market for everyone

DL this

PDF broshure

RETed

This is why I don't like to be the guinea pig...

1) AEM uses a rebadged Gems UK unit.
http://www.gems.co.uk/ems/
2) There's an AEM subsection in here - you ever go into it?

Oh, that's a pretty naive thing to say.
There's been a bunch of them that came out in the 80's that came and went.
No, don't ask me to name them.


Hmmm...make by the Sakura boys.
Based in Puerto Rico.
You're right, it looks like a nice unit.
No, I wouldn't buy it cause it hasn't been proven in the marketplace yet.
Like I said, I'm not going to play guinea pig.


-Ted

totallimmortal

i've heard good things about Simple Digital Systems, altough i've never heard of one being used wityh a rotary, anyone else know anything about em? My buddy is using one is his H22 powered 3rd gen prelude I've also seen them on 1.8t volkswagens

pluto

SDS doesn't work that well for forced induction. it may work fine for WOT only but part throttle is a pain to tune.

KNONFS

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Is pretty much a rebadge haltech F series...

http://www.sakuramotorsports.com/

Infini IV

That Sakura looks like a fuel only computer?