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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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carburated turbo

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda...spagenameZWDVW Ive never heard of this type of setup before.
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 08:43 PM
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I think its called like a carbed blow thru setup or something. I saw it once.
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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looked in the first gen section... youll see a lot of blow-through setups.
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 10:11 PM
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thats a pretty weird set up. This guy had some crazy ideas but it seems to work. 12a Turbo 2nd Gen?
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 10:12 PM
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um XS POWER turbo? riiiiiiight
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 11:54 PM
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AHHHH! XSPOWER TURBO!!! Everyone duck because when that thing blasts apart at 80k rpms its not gonna be pretty!
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 12:23 AM
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Top mount is now Front mount?!:
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 12:23 AM
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Its been done before. The TMIC core is actually very good, its just in a LOUSY spot.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Noel Caraballo
Ive never heard of this type of setup before.
It's a ghetto setup with quite a few major errors. There were some old Cartech turbo carb kits that were pretty good for their era, but the introduction of the TII model killed them off.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:46 AM
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It's a ghetto setup with quite a few major errors. There were some old Cartech turbo carb kits that were pretty good for their era, but the introduction of the TII model killed them off.
You seriously lack knowlege. I had a carb'd turbo FB that easily walked on built STi's and a 400 whp mustang. Robert at Rotary shack made 680rwhp on a carb'd turbo 12a...
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:49 AM
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the first gen turbos were all blow thru wernt they?
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
You seriously lack knowlege. I had a carb'd turbo FB that easily walked on built STi's and a 400 whp mustang. Robert at Rotary shack made 680rwhp on a carb'd turbo 12a...
It's for idiots who don't know how to deal with fuel injection.

Rotary Shack doesn't have the best reputation either, so that's not a very strong argument.


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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 03:26 AM
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It's for idiots who don't know how to deal with fuel injection.

Rotary Shack doesn't have the best reputation either, so that's not a very strong argument.


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looks like the only idiot around here is you with comments like these..

the blowthrought kits work good when properly tuned..

the nice thing about carb'd turbo kits is you dont need tons of knowledge with computers, or ems software.. all you need is a handfull of carb jets and a screwdriver and almost anybody can tune a blowthrough setup!
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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lots of FAST drag cars (piston motors) run blowthrough setups. Modern carbs are vastly advanced to the typical 2bbl people found on their dad's original 70's 289 mustang.

Fuel injection is surely superior, but thats not to say a carb can't do extremely close to the same level of performance and reliabilty with today's technology implemented into its design.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
You seriously lack knowlege. I had a carb'd turbo FB that easily walked on built STi's and a 400 whp mustang. Robert at Rotary shack made 680rwhp on a carb'd turbo 12a...
Er, OK, but what does that have to do with the car in question?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda...spagenameZWDVW

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the blowthrought kits work good when properly tuned.
Yeah, I liked those old Cartech kits. They are outdated by today's standards, but I don't remember anybody who was not happy with them. I wish I could say the same thing about the Camden supercharger kit.

Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
the nice thing about carb'd turbo kits is you dont need tons of knowledge with computers, or ems software.. all you need is a handfull of carb jets and a screwdriver and almost anybody can tune a blowthrough setup!
I think you severely underestimate your skills, lol.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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the car and mods seem really ghetto IMO. carb'd, 12a motor parts, FM stock IC, shitty turbo, b2000 tranny, ect. why not just use t2 parts?

"gas regulator for a turbo, 2 addional fuel injector pumps"

"I did work on the housing and the plates."
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 05:08 PM
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the car and mods seem really ghetto IMO. carb'd, 12a motor parts, FM stock IC, shitty turbo, b2000 tranny, ect. why not just use t2 parts?

"gas regulator for a turbo, 2 addional fuel injector pumps"

"I did work on the housing and the plates."
he used 12a intake housings on a 13b old school 6 port, very common

a gas regulator for turbo is when using 2 efi fuel pumps for turbo would mean he is using a mallory #4309 low press. return regulator as seen in the pic
and i did work on the housings proabably means they are ported
got it?

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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
looks like the only idiot around here is you with comments like these..
Lesse...


the blowthrought kits work good when properly tuned..

the nice thing about carb'd turbo kits is you dont need tons of knowledge with computers, or ems software.. all you need is a handfull of carb jets and a screwdriver and almost anybody can tune a blowthrough setup!
You just supported my comments?
"Dont[sp] need tons of knowledge" = you don't have the brains to handle modern fuel injection

Nevermind the fact that you're probably using some archaic distributor set-up which uses some crude form of mechanical advance...

As for my comments about your shop...anyone can do a search for "rotaryshack" or "rotary shack" in the Good Guy / Bad Guy subsection and see the evidence for themselves.


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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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Sure you can get lots of power from a carbed setup, but I bet it sucks *** for the street, which is where 99% of us actually drive their cars.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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The ONLY pro to a carb setup over Fuel Injection is throttle response. Or that used to be the case, but now I think with proper tuning and setup this is in the past.

This is really for people who want to do engine swaps with out messing with wiring, or people who refuse to come to grips with the fact that carbs are out dated.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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its a old school 4 port HOME MADE 13B,12A Irons pre 86 rotors(3MM) and housings(Anybody who knows the 12A stuff knows that you can get CRAZY porting those old school 12A IRONS)Not to start and argument but this setup is very common down home(PR)and let me tell you that the power that you get out of this setup its more than enough,i bet that this car its way faster than a lot of modded T2s and FDs in this forum,Its easy to tune like rotary shack said(you only need some jets and a screwdriver)fuel its controlled via the FPR,for timing you just lock the dizzy and your ready to go,back in the 90s that was the way that almost every car down home was setup,they were running faster than anybody else running EMS,Im not saying that his setup its better than any EMS but it works.Joey
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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All I know is, the dude needs to learn how to spell and communicate properly. Whether it works good or not, the way he describes makes it sounds like him and his 12-yr-old kid brother slapped it together in his backyard lol.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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i got your point buddy,i tought the same thing and it because he didnt mentioned a lot of important details
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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One more point Mazda B2000 trannys are not bad at all(all the internal parts are the same as T2 trannys but they have different gear ratios).
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joeylyrech
Not to start and argument but this setup is very common down home(PR)
Ah, I was waiting for someone to mention this...

So tell me...
How many of the really fast PR cars run carbs now?

Even the PR racers have embraced EFI, and most of the top cars ARE running EFI.


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