Carbon Fiber Doors for the FC
06-22-10, 09:39 PM
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Carbon Fiber Doors for the FC
I tried looking for them but couldn't find em anywhere, maybe some else knows a legit place which doesn't appear in immediate search results?? i would be great to have manual windows too, soo soo light weight
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06-24-10, 10:58 PM
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http://www.supernow.co.jp/
Where it says, "Top" on the first tab, goto the 3rd tab (middle of page) click on it, pick FC3S, then go to page 5. You'll see your C.F. doors. Its looking like 1286 at current exchange rates
Where it says, "Top" on the first tab, goto the 3rd tab (middle of page) click on it, pick FC3S, then go to page 5. You'll see your C.F. doors. Its looking like 1286 at current exchange rates
06-25-10, 04:46 AM
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The site I had bookmarked is dead, but I know someone else has to makes them. I do recall that the site's company was US based, I think in Oregon. They sold FG stock parts for the 7, mx3, and 626. The doors were for track purposes only as they were just a shell gutted for kidney bars and without windows. I'll post what info I can dig up.
06-25-10, 09:54 AM
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The doors on the 2nd gen are the main source of rigidity in the car so if anyone is thinking about doing cf or fg doors you better put in a cage or start bracing everything because your getting ready to have a whole lot of body roll. So your most likely to gain the weight back with a cage or bracing so imo its not the best upgrade.(especially for the money)
06-25-10, 10:30 AM
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Agreed, I could see the doors being structurally sound in order to keep the driver and passenger safe in the event of a side-swipe, but as far as chassis rigidity, I have a hard time believing that. There would be way too much stress on the hinges and latch for it to be a structural member of the car.
06-25-10, 01:54 PM
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I read it on some rx7 site. I once had just one of my front wheels on a drive way slope with the driver door open and the door didn't want to close so I had to go to flat ground to close it. Either way I wouldn't get em', they aren't safe in a crash and every time I see carbon fiber stuff it doesn't line up. I would put it on a show car any dat but that's it.
06-25-10, 02:49 PM
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The doors on the FC, or more accurately the large door openings, wrapping partly into the roof as they do, are the major weak point in an uncommonly rigid chassis, especially for the Eighties. The doors on any car are not a source of structural rigidity, unless they're welded shut ala General Lee. On the RX-8, the unique latching mechanism (locks at top and bottom) does mean the rear doors help chassis rigidity, but that's not the case on conventional doors.
The fact you couldn't close doors properly with a wheel jacked illustrates the flex in the door openings - but the door being closed doesn't significantly reduce the flex, it just means it's already latched. If you couldn't close the door on a FC with one corner jacked, that's not a good sign - I don't have that problem. Fox Mustangs from the 80's are famous for that (and just famously willowy), especially 'verts, but not FC's.
The doors are important in occupant protection in side impacts - because beginning in 1973, they've had to have beams welded in to prevent them folding like the sheet metal they are, so they are important structurally for the passengers, but they do not contribute to chassis strength.
The fact you couldn't close doors properly with a wheel jacked illustrates the flex in the door openings - but the door being closed doesn't significantly reduce the flex, it just means it's already latched. If you couldn't close the door on a FC with one corner jacked, that's not a good sign - I don't have that problem. Fox Mustangs from the 80's are famous for that (and just famously willowy), especially 'verts, but not FC's.
The doors are important in occupant protection in side impacts - because beginning in 1973, they've had to have beams welded in to prevent them folding like the sheet metal they are, so they are important structurally for the passengers, but they do not contribute to chassis strength.
06-25-10, 05:14 PM
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I must be not understanding because after reading that I felt that you further proved my point. You say the door openings are the weak point- so if you put some weak fg or cf doors in there you will still have that weak point but the solid stockers keep the rigidity.
I'm not saying i'm right- i'm just trying to figure this out. I really think the doors make a big deal in chassis rigidity....but am I right? i dont know
I'm not saying i'm right- i'm just trying to figure this out. I really think the doors make a big deal in chassis rigidity....but am I right? i dont know
06-25-10, 05:29 PM
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Working recently with some cage welders, iv learned that the doors normally do not provide chassis rigidity, which is true for the FC.
If i could provide a CAD diagram of flex and stress in those areas where the doors contacts with the chassis i would. What the doors do provide is crumpling protection during a roll or accident. Chassis rigidity and Chassis safety play on the same field but are not the same element.
Losing the weight of the doors and adding the weight of a cage is only a benefit and not a trade off. Think about it.
If i could provide a CAD diagram of flex and stress in those areas where the doors contacts with the chassis i would. What the doors do provide is crumpling protection during a roll or accident. Chassis rigidity and Chassis safety play on the same field but are not the same element.
Losing the weight of the doors and adding the weight of a cage is only a benefit and not a trade off. Think about it.
06-28-10, 07:53 PM
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Have you guys thought about Fiberglass door's? that would still be very lightweight yet MUCH cheaper! Besides I think the Raw carbon fiber look is kinda tacky unless its just the hood or trunk of a car, the raw look would be great on a black car where it blends in better. And I'm sure there is a way to add in the extra side impact brace, but I'd never consider it with out the cage. kinda hard to enjoy the car when your...Dead.
06-28-10, 08:02 PM
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oh, ok, the Fiberglass doors for the Fox mustangs are around $200-$300 I never could understand why some of these other cars have such expensive stuff when its the same material put into the parts..lol If we were look for the doors for my Cousins GXE we would choose fiberglass with no carbon due to price difference.
06-28-10, 08:20 PM
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fiberglass or CF doors are all good for a race car. However for a street car they are very unsafe, hard to seal due to warping or just poor quality, a pain in the butt to open and close due to carbon fiber being so light and the door latches requiring more force to be shut. Mounting windows that roll up and down either manually or power windows can be done but is also not all too practical because the Fiberglass and CF flex fairly easily and the windows become misaligned. I suggest plexi windows with sliding cut out for fresh air.
just my two cents.
just my two cents.
