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Car drives fine but idles like a ported engine

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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 09:02 AM
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Car drives fine but idles like a ported engine

so all at once yesterday when i was driving home from work i went to stop at a light and the car died. started it back up and my idle was really rough and it would barely run. it seems to drive like normal and just have problems idling. at idle it sounds like a ported engine with a brap brap brap kind of idle. anyone have any ideas why this might happen randomly? i dont think its a problem with the ecu or any sensors because the megasquirt seems to be working like normal.

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s5 T2 shortblock 280 miles on rebuild
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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 09:21 AM
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vac leak?
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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 09:49 AM
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chugging is from too much fuel so it wouldn't be a vacuum leak but possibly a failing or stuck AFM.
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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 09:51 AM
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I thought it was a vac leak too. But too much fuel makes more sense.

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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 09:58 AM
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smell the exhaust - does it stink like gas?
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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 10:00 AM
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it might be a vac leak, i checked yesterday for them and couldnt find a source to the problem. im going to buy a propane torch today to do some further testing.

AFR at idle is 13.1. ive tried making it more rich and lean and neither has an effect on the idle (as far as getting rid of the lope)

I have no afm as im running a megasquirt standalone.

thanks for the tips so far guys.
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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 07:08 PM
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well i tried finding vacuum leaks with a propane torch and either couldn't find any, or it didnt really work.

heres a couple videos that help describe the problem.

Start and idle before problem occured
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HmZIfLop6no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

heres a vid at idle and another driving around
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/r0-fdtIdKNE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ixJmUvlTcc4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Old Oct 17, 2012 | 08:32 AM
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Does it smoke consistently? What color is it?
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Old Oct 17, 2012 | 09:29 AM
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Timing? I'm just throwing it out there... how do the plugs look?
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Old Oct 17, 2012 | 10:00 AM
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the smoke appears to be oil to me. could be from a slightly heavy premix or a still breaking in engine.

i have checked timing but i will do so again just to double check.
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Old Oct 17, 2012 | 01:38 PM
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sounds like your timing is jacked, the squeaking noise sounds very much like preignition.
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Old Oct 17, 2012 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Acroy
smell the exhaust - does it stink like gas?
What would this mean? Too much fuel? When I start my car in the morning it smells like gas every time. It reminds me when I used to own snowmobiles, aha.
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Old Oct 17, 2012 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
sounds like your timing is jacked, the squeaking noise sounds very much like preignition.
what should my timing at idle be?
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Old Oct 19, 2012 | 12:10 AM
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well i think somehow i have a fucked up apex seal.
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Old Oct 19, 2012 | 08:26 AM
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Compression numbers?
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Old Oct 19, 2012 | 09:13 AM
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I'm a little late but I'd do a compression test before wasting time on anything else. I've always hated when I hear that idle sound.
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Old Oct 19, 2012 | 09:58 AM
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ima compression test it today. if its anything but perfects ill have it out and torn down tonight. but when i pull the trailing plug on the rear rotor i get a loud whoosh followed by two slightly quieter whooshes. which makes me think apex seal. i found that i was setting up my timing wrong and that it was actually 10 degress advanced from where it should have been.
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