can muffler shops make this???
07-19-03, 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by BLUE TII
And Icemark, do you understand the Ian Wilkshire quote you posted?
Read it a couple more times, he is saying that politcians force consumers to buy cars w/ emmisions to placate niave neophyte environmentalists who don't think of the miles of strip mining that go into each catylitic, to stimulate economy by producing ever more complicated cars and even clean up after the diesel overland transportation, public transportation and commercial factories that spew out emmissions (modern cars IMPROVE the quality of air in large urban areas- so, hmm, where is all that pollution comming from.
Did you take his tongue and cheek plea for you to leave the catylitic on your car as evidence to be used against industry, politicians and niave environmentalists incase anyone sues them on behalf of the environment and to clean up after commercial industries pollution as a serious request?
And Icemark, do you understand the Ian Wilkshire quote you posted?
Read it a couple more times, he is saying that politcians force consumers to buy cars w/ emmisions to placate niave neophyte environmentalists who don't think of the miles of strip mining that go into each catylitic, to stimulate economy by producing ever more complicated cars and even clean up after the diesel overland transportation, public transportation and commercial factories that spew out emmissions (modern cars IMPROVE the quality of air in large urban areas- so, hmm, where is all that pollution comming from.
Did you take his tongue and cheek plea for you to leave the catylitic on your car as evidence to be used against industry, politicians and niave environmentalists incase anyone sues them on behalf of the environment and to clean up after commercial industries pollution as a serious request?
The worst thing you can do is add insult to injury by removing the blasted things.
So much damage has been done to get them on your car; you have a 'moral' duty to do the best you can to minimise damage caused.
So much damage has been done to get them on your car; you have a 'moral' duty to do the best you can to minimise damage caused.
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07-19-03, 01:01 AM
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I'd rather not pay extra money to put another cat into my failing exhaust. Straight pipe for me thank you.
With all of the talk about cats and all, am I the only one who has ever seen cars pass emissions testing without cats? A popular mod back in the day of emissions testing was to weld a straight pipe through a gutted cat, producing the appearence of a regular catalyctic converter, but in reality, it being a straight pipe. I knew of many cars that passed both visual and probe emissions testing this way. 4 of them were supercharged or turbocharged. Go figure.
With all of the talk about cats and all, am I the only one who has ever seen cars pass emissions testing without cats? A popular mod back in the day of emissions testing was to weld a straight pipe through a gutted cat, producing the appearence of a regular catalyctic converter, but in reality, it being a straight pipe. I knew of many cars that passed both visual and probe emissions testing this way. 4 of them were supercharged or turbocharged. Go figure.
07-19-03, 02:57 AM
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Better read that a few more times Icemark
The section you selectively quoted just now reads
So, if I am in awe of this process why do I despise its inclusion in car technology?
Noble metals are rare, very rare, and to get the 4 grams of them we must excavate about 2000 M³ of hard mineral, crush it, use dreadful acids and alkalis to release them from the minerals grip and then get them across the Planet, this actually causes in environmental terms more than 5 times the amount pollution that the damn thing will save when fitted to a motor car! That's just getting it and carting it away!
Then you have to make the device, which adds a little more pollution!
Look, it was a great way of shifting the pollution problem away from where it all started; LA. They had a problem with photochemical smog, and Ralph Nader decided to smear America's problem right across the World by exporting the pollution to Africa, Russia anywhere that the Noble metals could be found!
It is an environmental catastrophe!
Soon it will be used in evidence against the Motorcar and their Drivers. The worst thing you can do is add insult to injury by removing the blasted things.
So much damage has been done to get them on your car; you have a 'moral' duty to do the best you can to minimise damage caused.
Surely you have the reading comprehension ability to decifer the fact that he despises catylitics because they simply shift the environmental damage from the small areas like LA to the huge expanses of 3rd world nations that we EXPLOIT everyday.
Do you have any idea how unliveable this planet would be if China, India or Africa decided to consume resources and pollute the way the US does in order to maintain its "standard of living".
Yep, it is better to produce 5 times the global pollution a catylitic will prevent just so cars can clean the air in overpolluted urban areas like LA...
The section you selectively quoted just now reads
So, if I am in awe of this process why do I despise its inclusion in car technology?
Noble metals are rare, very rare, and to get the 4 grams of them we must excavate about 2000 M³ of hard mineral, crush it, use dreadful acids and alkalis to release them from the minerals grip and then get them across the Planet, this actually causes in environmental terms more than 5 times the amount pollution that the damn thing will save when fitted to a motor car! That's just getting it and carting it away!
Then you have to make the device, which adds a little more pollution!
Look, it was a great way of shifting the pollution problem away from where it all started; LA. They had a problem with photochemical smog, and Ralph Nader decided to smear America's problem right across the World by exporting the pollution to Africa, Russia anywhere that the Noble metals could be found!
It is an environmental catastrophe!
Soon it will be used in evidence against the Motorcar and their Drivers. The worst thing you can do is add insult to injury by removing the blasted things.
So much damage has been done to get them on your car; you have a 'moral' duty to do the best you can to minimise damage caused.
Surely you have the reading comprehension ability to decifer the fact that he despises catylitics because they simply shift the environmental damage from the small areas like LA to the huge expanses of 3rd world nations that we EXPLOIT everyday.
Do you have any idea how unliveable this planet would be if China, India or Africa decided to consume resources and pollute the way the US does in order to maintain its "standard of living".
Yep, it is better to produce 5 times the global pollution a catylitic will prevent just so cars can clean the air in overpolluted urban areas like LA...
07-19-03, 03:37 AM
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well, i cant speak for him... but i think what hes saying, is if you already have it, then the damage has already been done to the enviroment to make it... so you may as well not rip it off and just damage the enviroment even more... may as well let that 5 times damaged region have been sacrificed for something... rather than just making it completely go to waste
just my take on it.... but since my cat was falling appart, and i decided to get duals, im glad, because even though i have no cat now, im only doing a 1/5 th of the damage to the enviroment than i would have if i got an exaust with a new cat
so basicaly, it sounds like, if you have it already and its fine, leave it... but if it needs replacement, just take it off and and replace with a test pipe, unless you live in a smoggy area or need to pass emissions
just my take on it.... but since my cat was falling appart, and i decided to get duals, im glad, because even though i have no cat now, im only doing a 1/5 th of the damage to the enviroment than i would have if i got an exaust with a new cat
so basicaly, it sounds like, if you have it already and its fine, leave it... but if it needs replacement, just take it off and and replace with a test pipe, unless you live in a smoggy area or need to pass emissions
07-19-03, 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by BLUE TII
Better read that a few more times Icemark
The section you selectively quoted just now reads
So, if I am in awe of this process why do I despise its inclusion in car technology?
Noble metals are rare, very rare, and to get the 4 grams of them we must excavate about 2000 M³ of hard mineral, crush it, use dreadful acids and alkalis to release them from the minerals grip and then get them across the Planet, this actually causes in environmental terms more than 5 times the amount pollution that the damn thing will save when fitted to a motor car! That's just getting it and carting it away!
Then you have to make the device, which adds a little more pollution!
Look, it was a great way of shifting the pollution problem away from where it all started; LA. They had a problem with photochemical smog, and Ralph Nader decided to smear America's problem right across the World by exporting the pollution to Africa, Russia anywhere that the Noble metals could be found!
It is an environmental catastrophe!
Soon it will be used in evidence against the Motorcar and their Drivers. The worst thing you can do is add insult to injury by removing the blasted things.
So much damage has been done to get them on your car; you have a 'moral' duty to do the best you can to minimise damage caused.
Surely you have the reading comprehension ability to decifer the fact that he despises catylitics because they simply shift the environmental damage from the small areas like LA to the huge expanses of 3rd world nations that we EXPLOIT everyday.
Do you have any idea how unliveable this planet would be if China, India or Africa decided to consume resources and pollute the way the US does in order to maintain its "standard of living".
Yep, it is better to produce 5 times the global pollution a catylitic will prevent just so cars can clean the air in overpolluted urban areas like LA...
Better read that a few more times Icemark
The section you selectively quoted just now reads
So, if I am in awe of this process why do I despise its inclusion in car technology?
Noble metals are rare, very rare, and to get the 4 grams of them we must excavate about 2000 M³ of hard mineral, crush it, use dreadful acids and alkalis to release them from the minerals grip and then get them across the Planet, this actually causes in environmental terms more than 5 times the amount pollution that the damn thing will save when fitted to a motor car! That's just getting it and carting it away!
Then you have to make the device, which adds a little more pollution!
Look, it was a great way of shifting the pollution problem away from where it all started; LA. They had a problem with photochemical smog, and Ralph Nader decided to smear America's problem right across the World by exporting the pollution to Africa, Russia anywhere that the Noble metals could be found!
It is an environmental catastrophe!
Soon it will be used in evidence against the Motorcar and their Drivers. The worst thing you can do is add insult to injury by removing the blasted things.
So much damage has been done to get them on your car; you have a 'moral' duty to do the best you can to minimise damage caused.
Surely you have the reading comprehension ability to decifer the fact that he despises catylitics because they simply shift the environmental damage from the small areas like LA to the huge expanses of 3rd world nations that we EXPLOIT everyday.
Do you have any idea how unliveable this planet would be if China, India or Africa decided to consume resources and pollute the way the US does in order to maintain its "standard of living".
Yep, it is better to produce 5 times the global pollution a catylitic will prevent just so cars can clean the air in overpolluted urban areas like LA...
This thread is not on leaving exhausts on, or your guilt over modifications to the emissions system. It is about weither or not a muffler shop can make a race pipe for the guy.
My reply was and still is (despite your direct baiting and attempts otherwise to highjack the thread with a emissions/anti-emissions fight) why I was not repling to such a thread in the first place.
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