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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by clokker
Now, can you explain how this is better than the stock airbox, given that you're using the stock intake snorkel?
The stock air box has baffles which restrict airflow a bit. Other than that, I don't see any performance advantage for a non-turbo street car. Oh yeah, it does look and sound better, so that is a plus even if it doesn't make the car go any faster.

Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
Well from what I've read in different places, a round or cone filterflows more air than a flat panel filter, that alone is a benefit.
A larger filter is only a benefit if the engine flows at a higher rate than is efficiently supported by the original filter. The stock-sized panel filter will support roughly 200bhp before it starts to become a restriction. If your engine produces less than 200bhp, then a larger filter doesn't significantly affect performance, but at least it will take a little longer to get dirty.

Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
The stock intake snorkel is there more for the aesthetics feature than anything else.
The stock snorkel is a good source of ambient air. The engine will suck air from the source of least resistance, so it's not such a bad idea to offer it choices if you are not sure about the design of such things.

An optimal intake is pretty big and generally not very practical on a street car. Example:
http://www.mazdatrix.com/faqpics/roadrace/ep01123bb.jpg

Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
I just figured Throwing a cone on the car and for the most part sealing it off the rest of the engine bay, might increase net power. Who knows I might be wrong.
The inlet only needs to be sealed if it is designed for ram air compression. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it. Even a non-turbo engine will suck in over 200 cubic feet per minute, and at that rate a small leak of slightly hotter air would not matter a hill of beans. The rule of thumb is 1% horsepower per 10degF, which is about 1.5 horsepower for a non-turbo engine.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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^^^Thanks for that info.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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That mazdatrix photo is rediculous.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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I don't know about ridiculous but I did wonder if they had calculated that the engine required that amount of airflow or just put in the largest ducting that would fit and called it good.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by clokker
I don't know about ridiculous but I did wonder if they had calculated that the engine required that amount of airflow or just put in the largest ducting that would fit and called it good.
The Mazda RX-7 Competition Preparation and Service Manual recommends a minimum diameter of 110-120mm. This converts to about 4 1/3 to 4 3/4 inches. While Mazdatrix may have done the math, I wouldn't be surprised if they just rounded up to the closest size available at Home Depot.

The photo probably does look ridiculous to those who have seen nothing but the overpriced rice vendor CAI kits and the home-built knock-offs of them.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 02:18 PM
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i think that photo is amazing.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 04:44 PM
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wow! looks good man!
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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very nice job, schucks, or whatever auto parts store you have sells a flex pipe, 3'' i think, I got one to put on the passenger side inlet in the bumper were s5 fog lights go, then cut out a big hole to lead it straight to the air intake, just in idea!
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
Thanks for the comment. What if I glued some exhaust heat wrap to the outside panels? Do you think that would work, if not what would you suggest?
Sounds like a good plan.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
Sorry for jumping to conclusions. Its hard to judge a persons attitude on this site. Thank you for the comment on craftsmanship. My stock box was drilled out and i suspected some heat soaking through there. And yes you do have a fair assessment of my progress so far. And i do agree that the MAF and the elbow at the throttle body are by far the most restrictive components in the system. I just figured Throwing a cone on the car and for the most part sealing it off the rest of the engine bay, might increase net power. Who knows I might be wrong.
You're not wrong. Colder air is better.
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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looks good man, dont let anyone judge your design..i bet half the people on here couldnt even come close to knowing how to do such a thing.

two thumbs up.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by HOZZMANRX7
You're not wrong. Colder air is better.
Unfortunately, the CAI in this thread does not make the ambient air any colder, lol.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Bforme
wow! looks good man!
Thanks Mike.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
Unfortunately, the CAI in this thread does not make the ambient air any colder, lol.
You are right that my CAI doesn't make the ambient air any cooler from the outside of the vehicle, but from inside the engine bay yes. That was my biggest goal. I may take a temp reading from the air box and somewhere in the engine bay and see the difference after i do some hard driving.

HKSpoweredFC3S, thanks man. I know it doesn't look like it took much effort but infact it took a good amount of time to trim and fit everything just right.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
You are right that my CAI doesn't make the ambient air any cooler from the outside of the vehicle, but from inside the engine bay yes. That was my biggest goal. I may take a temp reading from the air box and somewhere in the engine bay and see the difference after i do some hard driving.
And what do think that will tell you?

A far better test would be to get temps from your intake manifold with and without the new airbox and see if there's a difference.
I'm guessing there won't be since you have essentially duplicated the stock setup, just using different materials.

Now, before you think I'm just randomly crapping on your parade or being a total hypocrite ( since I've done a similar mod to my car), let me explain myself.

I think it's important to have specific goals in mind when you begin a project like this.
It's also important to be rigorously honest about how fully those goals are realized when you're done.

If you started out thinking the intake temps were going to change or the airflow would increase enough to make a noticeable power difference, then I think you'll have to admit that the project failed.
If you're going to claim success in these areas, be prepared to provide some hard evidence.

On the other hand, if, like me, you started out saying that the whole point was to clean up the engine bay (like yours, my stock airbox had been beaten on by morons) then, as long as the performance isn't degraded, you can claim total success.

People can sneer at ricer intake setups because they make unrealistic and unsupported claims for performance improvement.
If they just said "Hey, it looks nicer than stock and doesn't hurt anything!", then it'd be down to aesthetics and that's hard to argue.

This may all seem like an exercise in semantics but I don't think it is.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by clokker
And what do think that will tell you?

A far better test would be to get temps from your intake manifold with and without the new airbox and see if there's a difference.
I'm guessing there won't be since you have essentially duplicated the stock setup, just using different materials.

Now, before you think I'm just randomly crapping on your parade or being a total hypocrite ( since I've done a similar mod to my car), let me explain myself.

I think it's important to have specific goals in mind when you begin a project like this.
It's also important to be rigorously honest about how fully those goals are realized when you're done.

If you started out thinking the intake temps were going to change or the airflow would increase enough to make a noticeable power difference, then I think you'll have to admit that the project failed.
If you're going to claim success in these areas, be prepared to provide some hard evidence.

On the other hand, if, like me, you started out saying that the whole point was to clean up the engine bay (like yours, my stock airbox had been beaten on by morons) then, as long as the performance isn't degraded, you can claim total success.

People can sneer at ricer intake setups because they make unrealistic and unsupported claims for performance improvement.
If they just said "Hey, it looks nicer than stock and doesn't hurt anything!", then it'd be down to aesthetics and that's hard to argue.

This may all seem like an exercise in semantics but I don't think it is.
You are probably right that my intake temps aren't any colder and flow most likely hasn't increased enough to cause a noticable gain. Thats kind of a downer knowing that my project failed in that aspect, but i guess i could live with the cleaner look and the not loss of power.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 09:13 AM
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I think it looks great man. Kinda hard to make a true cold air intake on the 2nd gens though see how the space is kinda limited as to were you can put the cone. I am trying to find a way to make a nylon box were my windsheild washer container use to be and guide a monster hose in from a scoop underneath the car into the box were the cone will be hidden.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Takedown
I think it looks great man. Kinda hard to make a true cold air intake on the 2nd gens though see how the space is kinda limited as to were you can put the cone. I am trying to find a way to make a nylon box were my windsheild washer container use to be and guide a monster hose in from a scoop underneath the car into the box were the cone will be hidden.
Yea it is. Good luck with yours post pics and what not. I'm gonna hide my washer bottle under my corksport radiator panel i think
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
You are probably right that my intake temps aren't any colder and flow most likely hasn't increased enough to cause a noticable gain. Thats kind of a downer knowing that my project failed in that aspect...
Did you really think that with an afternoon's labor and a piece of sheetmetal you were going to outdo the Mazda engineers?

What you did accomplish was deleting an ill-conceived prior mod (drilled airbox) with something that looks good, is easily seviceable (no small feat) and didn't adversely impact performance...you should be thrilled.

See?
It's all in how you look at it.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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I am thrilled, it looks better, changed my exhaust note and gave me a more throaty deeper sound, and it might just be in my head but in this cold weather that we've had it seams to pull a little better in the lower rpm's. But like i said it could be just in my head.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rotorhead_izzy
But like i said it could be just in my head.
It is, but that's OK, you're allowed.
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