rx7rotary89

i recently came into a lot of money and i can afford almost anything for my car now, i wanted to see if a 20b or a 26b will fit in my car and if so what all needs to be done for the conversion. i also wanted to see what else engine wise could be done to the car

gotdatfiyah

i dunno, lets see what your money can do for my cars though =]

1987RX7guy

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The 26B is gonna be a tough one to find/make. The 20B would be easy to FIT into the car but its all the little details that make it hard and costly.

rx7rotary89

u can see my mods list below so if theres anything i dont have for my motor please let me know

1987RX7guy

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Well from the looks of it you haven't done much at all for modifying your car. A 20B swap can run you in the 20-45k dollar range depending on what you want to do and what kind of parts you want to use.

casio

whats "a lot of money"? i mean, 5Gs is a lot to me. hell, i'd suck dick for 5Gs. but thats not gettin me a 20B installed. honestly, i really don't wanna know how much "a lot of money" is, but if you do some research on 20B swaps, you'll find my idea of what "a lot of money" is.
26B? well, if a lot is enough to buy a house, thn i imagine you could find someone to make you a 26B and custom front end. and new drivetrain. a 20B can break the 1000hp mark with a nice turbo setup. the 26B acheived 650 or 700hp back in 91 N/A.
these are all long drawn out processes that require both money and knowledge. without knowledge, it'll probably just cost more (its easier to be ripped off).

Cory Simpson

That motor is like 25,000 by it's self.



20,000-45,000

Are you serious????

I don't know who you have been talking to, but if you spend that much on a swap, you got shafted!!!


If you were by some miracle able to spend that much money on a swap, you would have to have paid to have everything done, and you better have a 5 second 1/4 mile time. Because I know if I spent that much and it wasn't that fast I would be PISSED!

And if I were you, I would put a 2JZ in it. You can buy a 2JZ front clip for about 6,000 or so, and it comes with mostly everyhting you need, evept for the parts inbetween that you would have to custom make. And a 2JZ is good for 1000 HP. Not very practice but a nice dyno car.

Cory Simpson

Uhhhmmm....... No one wanted to hear that!!!!

casio

but they sure did enjoy reading it.
you can get a 20B for $3500, its rebuilding it and fabricating mounts and little miscellaneous tid bits here and there. that engine is also good for 1000 horsepower, but like the 2JZ, it probably likes a little reinforcement.

1987RX7guy

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Cory Simpson- I said depending on what parts you use. Different stuff makes the cost skyrocket. Engine alone is 3500-5k a rebuild would be around 2k on the low side. Then he needs a new tranny and diff. EMS, IC, Turbos, oil cooler(s), HUGE rad., a good ignition system if the engine don't come with it yada yada yada. **** adds up. Oh and some cash for the guy thats fabbing up your **** unless he buys his own shop?? TUNNING would also be needed. There goes a grand or so.

rx7rotary89

if i were to buy a new 20b and have someone put it in and do all the conversions for it, about how much am i lookin at??

walken

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I was quoted $20 grand at a local auto shop.

Evil Aviator

That's not very smart. You need to find a good CPA and financial planner so that you are not broke next year. You will need about $1,000,000 to set yourself up for retirement, depending on your lifestyle. The CPA and financial planner will explain this in better detail. Just let them know that you would like to waste some of the money on a sportscar, and post here again once you decide on an amount.

Not to flame you or anything, but you don't have Jack on your motor. There is certainly nothing wrong with that, but I have a feeling that you don't quite understand how much you can do to your car, and how expensive it can get. I think you are probably better off with some good reliability mods, and you can increase the performance a bit in conjunction with those mods (street port, etc.).

About $35,000 from a reputable shop that has actually performed several successful 20B conversions:
http://www.pfsupercars.com
http://www.pettitracing.com/

Of course, a local ghetto mechanic may offer to do the conversion for less, but then there is no telling what you are really going to get for your money.

It's probably more than that. The 20B Race engine originally sold for $42,000 back around 1990, and I would imagine that the R26B would sell for even more. Remember, the R26B isn't just some ghetto 4-rotor engine that somebody slapped together from 13B parts, it is a FULL RACE engine with ALL the mods! Just the Motec M800 used to run it sells for about $10,000 new (with all the options). Since Downing Atlanta owns all of the remaining R26B engines, and probably will not sell them anytime soon, I think it's a moot point right now.

My "swap" is currently well over $30,000, and the engine doesn't even run yet. Of course, a lot of that money is in suspension, drivetrain components, gauges, safety equipment, etc., but then again you are going to need all of that kind of stuff if you want to have a serious car. You could always go "cheap" for about $10,000 and have a bare-bones 20B conversion just to be able to tell everyone that you have a 3-rotor, but you would be looking at only maybe 300hp, which could be done easier and cheaper with a good 13BT setup. A good 20B race setup would cost over $50,000.

Yes, there are many other engine conversions that make much more sense than a 20B, but who said that rotary engine fanatics were sane?

88IntegraLS

Bah, a young Corvette LS-1 / T56 can be had for 3500 - and installed, modded, and frying your rear tires for under 10k. I think Brian Hinson's LS1 FD is in the 10s at the track.

*edit* It will cost a lot more if you are not a do-it-yourselfer

rx7rotary89

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Evil Aviator

Not to flame you or anything, but you don't have Jack on your motor. There is certainly nothing wrong with that, but I have a feeling that you don't quite understand how much you can do to your car

how much can i do to my motor that i dont already have done, ive put up multiple posts about it but no one really gives me any tips, once i find someone to rebuild my motor i am getting it street-ported, by the way, anyone know anyone that does rotary rebuilds in the pittsburgh pa area??

rx7rotary89

will that motor fit in an fc and about how much would i be looking at??

i am a do it yourselfer but i think i would rather have a pro do this kind of job

1987RX7guy

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Well since you have all this cash. The first thing you should do is trash the stock exhaust system and get a good exhaust.(If you want my oppinion on that PM me. )

Get rid of your little neon accents lol. Or atleast get an FD alt kit from Silverrotor so your system doesn't get weak.

You can get/make yourself a heat shield for your cool intake sytem. Pineapple racine sleaves and port match your intake. The only engine buylder that I know is a good guy it Kevine Landers. Talk to him about that. I don't see why you need a rebuild unless your having problems at the moment. Another thing you could get a Microtech and pull out a few more ponies with a dyno.

Rxmfn7

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www.grannysspeedshop.com

www.v8rx7.com

1987RX7guy

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Oh did I mention a better than stock clutch and a lighter flywheel would do it some good too. Reliability mods would be wonderfull for engine life. A nice Koyo or Fluidyne radiator SS oil cooler lines, SS clutch line, SS brake lines, Hawk HP pads or some other performance pads for help you stop that sucka fast. Some good meaty tires and lightweight wheels would help traction a bit. New bushings, and why not go all out and drop in a coil over system. Re-build your old tranny and put in some redline oil or neo or royal purple.

rx7rotary89

that was the first thing i did, i trashed the stock exhaust system and put in a straight pipe magnaflow exhaust and ripped out the cats while i was at it

1987RX7guy

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You could take that out. Add a header if you want collected then have someone do the math for you and "tune" that shiznit or get the True duals. There is still much more to be gained over just a straight pipe.

Bukwild

yeah listen to these guys man. I did a t2 swap on my vert and I am at about 8k so far and still going and I don't even have a Microtech or haltech yet. Plus remember something else. Modding a car out is usually what someone does when they cannot afford a high end sports car. If you want 400hp and never want to loose a race at a light or highway run off get yourself a 911 twin turbo. Yes other cars have more horsepower but one thing that the rest of us will never be able to touch is RELIABILITY. Their are alot of high end cars that can offer power and reliability. A second gen with a 20k race motor will never be a daily driver and will cost you big bucks over and over again.

Kurgan

omg...

RTFM!!

Evil Aviator

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rx7rotary89

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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
how much can i do to my motor that i dont already have done, ive put up multiple posts about it but no one really gives me any tips, once i find someone to rebuild my motor i am getting it street-ported, by the way, anyone know anyone that does rotary rebuilds in the pittsburgh pa area??

How much money you have isn't the question. The question is how much do you plan on spending on the car?

Next, you need to decide on how you want to use the car. Your basic choices are (choose only one of each number):
1) Drag race (mostly straight line, short burst of speed only) or road race (turns, long periods of performance driving)? Also, part of this question is whether or not you plan on actually racing your car in events, or if you just prefer one of these two styles for daily driving. If you plan on actually racing in events, please specify the sanctioning body (such as NIRA, SCCA, NASA, etc.), and which class if you know it (such as IT, EP, SPO, GT1, etc.).
2) Street legal with emissions, street legal with no emissions, or not street legal?
3) Emphasis on show or performance?

Your answers to these questions will determine your optimal modifications. I can make some recommendations once you answer this.

Modified cars perform how they are built. You could certainly build a reliable performance RX-7 if you want to. The problem is that most people don't go to good mechanics. It's true about the big bucks over a long timespan. Parts just don't last as long under high loads.

I totally agree on the new sportscar concept. I could have a very decent Porsche or Ferrari for the money that I have put into my RX-7. A factory high-performance sports car will also retain its value better, while a modified RX-7 is usually worth about 1/4 of the money you put into it, if that. Also, just try getting full coverage insurance (replacement value, not the $2K Blue Book value) on a 650hp RX-7 daily driver, lol. I still haven't found anybody that will do this, so any damage or theft loss is going to have to come out of my own pocket.

KiyoKix

I agree with Evil, also not to be an *** or anything...I'd go and get some driving classes also if you're really serious about making a sickly car (why are you doing this btw...?). I see you're kinda young so you don't have that much legit driving experience so I'd make sure you can actually use what you get (before you open up the heavens and rain down the money ) before you waste your money. Good luck on whatever you do though.