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02-19-08, 06:05 PM
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lol There is only a hand full of places that sell it in the states.. I do sell it if you are interested in it let me know
6.00 per liter (10.00 shipping for 1-18 liters)
buy 18 liters and get them for 5.25 per liter
Total is the parent company they have just decided to no longer use the "ELF" name and just stick with Total so that is why the name change
that is the current ELF oil I use..
6.00 per liter (10.00 shipping for 1-18 liters)
buy 18 liters and get them for 5.25 per liter
Total is the parent company they have just decided to no longer use the "ELF" name and just stick with Total so that is why the name change
that is the current ELF oil I use..
02-19-08, 06:30 PM
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In my opinion, boutique oils are a waste of money on the street.
Save the fancy stuff for the transmission and differential where it will actually make a difference.
I use whatever engine is oil is on sale when I change it.
Synthetic is fine for the engine if you want to pay for it.
Save the fancy stuff for the transmission and differential where it will actually make a difference.
I use whatever engine is oil is on sale when I change it.
Synthetic is fine for the engine if you want to pay for it.
02-19-08, 08:12 PM
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02-19-08, 08:23 PM
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ELF has a certificate from Mazda to be used in the Rotary engine and yes this is a synthetic oil PURE synthetic made with ONLY base 3 and base 4 stock... It is made in france where they have higher oil quality control standards then in the US market.[/QUOTE]
what type of certificate, and is there an actual write up on this oil in relation to mazdas specifically? dont they aprove the use of any brand as long as the weight and other specs are w/in tolerances.....
ELF has a certificate from Mazda to be used in the Rotary engine and yes this is a synthetic oil PURE synthetic made with ONLY base 3 and base 4 stock... It is made in france where they have higher oil quality control standards then in the US market.[/QUOTE]
what type of certificate, and is there an actual write up on this oil in relation to mazdas specifically? dont they aprove the use of any brand as long as the weight and other specs are w/in tolerances.....
02-19-08, 08:25 PM
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I have a paper signed by Mazda Corp that approves ELF Synthetic oil for use in rotaries..
Until recently Mazda has always said to not use synthetic oil in rotaries. However ELF synthetic oil is approved.
Until recently Mazda has always said to not use synthetic oil in rotaries. However ELF synthetic oil is approved.
02-19-08, 08:47 PM
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I will see if I can bring the book back from the shop (if I can find it) if I find the book I will bring it home and scan it for you guys to see..
02-19-08, 08:49 PM
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btw this is their website
ELF oil USA
http://www.elfoils.us/lub/lubusa.nsf...?OpenDocument&
Total usa
http://www.totalmotoroils.com/lub/lu...?OpenDocument&
ELF oil USA
http://www.elfoils.us/lub/lubusa.nsf...?OpenDocument&
Total usa
http://www.totalmotoroils.com/lub/lu...?OpenDocument&
02-19-08, 09:26 PM
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Because Mazda says so.
I use Castrol GTX 20W50 year round in the Turbo and 10W30 or 20W50 depending on the weather in the Vert since it's my daily driver.
According to Mazda:
In starting and operating temperatures below 20F, use 5W30
In starting and operating temperatures between 0F and 80F, use 10W30.
In starting and operating temperatures above 30F, use 20W50
In starting and operating temperatures below 20F, use 5W30
In starting and operating temperatures between 0F and 80F, use 10W30.
In starting and operating temperatures above 30F, use 20W50
02-19-08, 10:17 PM
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the biggest thing about Royal Purple is if you watch there "hp gain video" they do a test with a car get its numbers and drain the OLD DIRTY SLUDGY gear oil, trans oil and engine oil out and then put in NEW CLEAN royal purple in all 3 components.. well hell if you change all the fluid and put in ANYTHING new you will get less friction and better numbers...
WHAT A ****** SCAM..
Atleast with ELF there is no promises just good quality oil
Now me and a guy I work with have been checking gas mileage.. he was averaging 24-26 miles with castrol syntec.. after he switched he noticed he gained 4-5 mpg
I personally went from 14mpg to 19mpg after switching obviously this was not sudden it was in a cumlitive of about 1000 miles before I checked and I noticed I gained 4-5 mpg...
Yu do get better gas mileage with this oil we have customers who also have noticed a difference.
besides either way it is OIL (not purple gimik) it is Synthetic and next to that all u gain is benifits nothing to loose and it is cheaper then almost any other Synthetic oil.
WHAT A ****** SCAM..
Atleast with ELF there is no promises just good quality oil
Now me and a guy I work with have been checking gas mileage.. he was averaging 24-26 miles with castrol syntec.. after he switched he noticed he gained 4-5 mpg
I personally went from 14mpg to 19mpg after switching obviously this was not sudden it was in a cumlitive of about 1000 miles before I checked and I noticed I gained 4-5 mpg...
Yu do get better gas mileage with this oil we have customers who also have noticed a difference.
besides either way it is OIL (not purple gimik) it is Synthetic and next to that all u gain is benifits nothing to loose and it is cheaper then almost any other Synthetic oil.
02-19-08, 11:20 PM
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02-19-08, 11:25 PM
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FAAAAAQ. I'm seeing a lot of major bull here. Just go with a synthetic listed int the FAQ or an API certified conventional oil. API certified conventional oil is better for most people. Go 10w30 or 20w50 depending on region (see FAQ), though you can use either in most areas. For heavy track use go with any of the synthetics listed, though preferably Idemitsu, Neo, Redline or Royal Purple. Lots of reviewers have confirmed RP's HP claim, but it's only 2%. Oil isn't really the place to be looking for performance.
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02-19-08, 11:53 PM
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in America synthetic oil only has to have 12% base stock 3 (base stock 3 being determined as SYNTHETIC oil) where in Europe a synthetic oil has to start with 100% synthetic..
Only made here in US is not a true FULL synthetic.. it is derived from a minimu mof 12% synthetic which means the us standard to be called a synthetic...
Only made here in US is not a true FULL synthetic.. it is derived from a minimu mof 12% synthetic which means the us standard to be called a synthetic...
Anyway, I guess I don't follow the logic. The Group III base stock used in Elf is highly-refined petroleum, which is NOT actually synthetic except under the silly U.S. marketing rules. Actual synthetic oil (synthesized rather than refined) is Group IV or V. Therefore, I don't see how a French Group III/IV blend is supposed to be better than a Group IV or V oil from the U.S. or any other country if the only criteria is which oil is "more synthetic". I am not saying that Elf is bad, just that it sounds to me like the kettle calling the pot black.
There is a reason why so many people use Castrol GTX. Also, use of distilled water in the coolant mix as per the service manual will also help keep the engine clean.
OMP->2-stroke injection conversion and now you have oil injected that has good lubrication and is meant to be burned?
02-20-08, 07:18 AM
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I thought it was a minimum of 30% in the US?
Anyway, I guess I don't follow the logic. The Group III base stock used in Elf is highly-refined petroleum, which is NOT actually synthetic except under the silly U.S. marketing rules. Actual synthetic oil (synthesized rather than refined) is Group IV or V. Therefore, I don't see how a French Group III/IV blend is supposed to be better than a Group IV or V oil from the U.S. or any other country if the only criteria is which oil is "more synthetic". I am not saying that Elf is bad, just that it sounds to me like the kettle calling the pot black..
I had to go back and read my info lol.... your right I was mis-spoken
ELF oil has a basestock 4 with basestock 5 added...
US Spec synthetic oil is a Basestock 3 with only up to 18% base stock 4
THX for pointing that out I had to go back and ready the script
02-20-08, 07:26 AM
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ok I opened up the ELF book and this is what it said..
Mazda recomend the Dexelia Ultra 5w30 (MADE BY ELF)
Elf US spec is the SXR 5W30.. the Dexelia is a EURO spec oil... Finding it over here in the US is tough..
SXR 5W30 ELF/Total is what is recomended for US spec.
Mazda recomend the Dexelia Ultra 5w30 (MADE BY ELF)
Elf US spec is the SXR 5W30.. the Dexelia is a EURO spec oil... Finding it over here in the US is tough..
SXR 5W30 ELF/Total is what is recomended for US spec.
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idemitsu END OF STORTY WTF!!!! http://www.idemitsu-usa.com/
02-20-08, 10:51 AM
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That oil has been around for some time and alot of Mitsubishi DSM guys have been using it for a long period of time....
It is good stuff but not the ONLY synthetic oil for Rotaries and it was not made for rotaries only..
You know we get these threads all the time.. honestly oil is a preference why dont we just ****** end the thread
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