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Old Feb 10, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Best (affordable) GRIP setup?

I have a 10AE S5 conversion with some mods, but here is my suspension setup:

Eibach springs on Tokiko blue shocks
Front strut bar
Endless pads on rear, new OEM Mazda pads on front, both on stock brake discs
Brand new (just broken in) Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3's on stock rims


What is the next step IYO to make my RX7 a better GRIP car?

And what is a good AFFORDABLE grip setup? (less than $500)

I don't track my car, but I just feel safer running a grip setup rather than trying to learn to drift. I have a job, but I don't want my 7 to be a continuous sinkhole of $$

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Old Feb 10, 2006 | 08:16 PM
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Replace suspension bushings. Some people prefer to use DTSS eliminators as well.
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 02:05 AM
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Oh, I forgot to add that I did the DTSS eliminators already.
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 02:14 AM
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you did a s5 conversion on a 10ae? WHY? i'm sad now anyways racing beat has a good springs, sway bars and bushings deal for under 500 i think, might wanna check them out ive heard good things about it unless someone says different

then you gotta hit woodside/la honda road lol

good luck with your project
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 02:19 AM
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Well, the S5 front looks wayy better. I'm keeping the S5 wheels and the badging thou. I'll check out the sway bars, but Eibach springs are better than Racing Beats.
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 02:21 AM
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is that a matter of opinion or fact? just curious i havent looked into comparing suspension products yet
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 02:22 AM
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What eibach springs? Progressives?
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 02:25 AM
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Eibach progressives. I'm going by stiffness ratings from Mazdatrix's site:

http://www.mazdatrix.com/h4586-92.htm

Middle of the page shows the rates.
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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stiffer =/= better
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 08:45 AM
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Also, just so you know dtss eliminator bushings remove the stabalizing toe in during high G cornering of the outside wheel, instead producing toe out, which will make the car tend twards oversteer, which is good for drifting, autocross etc.
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 10:17 AM
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For street the Eibachs should be fine but you will not like them on a track if you are ever on a track. I had the Eibach pro kit on my S5 for 1 track day and found you have to be really smooth otherwise the car will be unsettled when entering turns. Linear springs are preferred over progressive springs for track use. You car should have plenty of grip for the street at least if you are not speeding too much.
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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Nice thread guys. keep it comming. Any other ideas?
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 06:19 PM
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save some more money and get coilovers. there is a new set of coilovers on the market by a company called Stance from what I heard there supose to be pretty good for a good price.

http://www.tougefactory.com/main2.htm
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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I really have no clue, so can someone pls tell me what is bad with progressive springs?
And how do they work?

Also, how come stiffer isn't always better?

I'm really new to tuning up and maintaining my RX7 so any help would be great. Thanks!
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Old Feb 11, 2006 | 11:26 PM
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:22 AM
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Already got new tires, and I would of got Neova's but they don't fit my stock wheels.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:42 AM
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Research progressive rate springs vs. linear rate springs.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:44 AM
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Why in the world would you put overpriced Endless pads on the rear, and use OEM pads on the front? The front brakes have to do 3-4 times the work of the rear brakes, so if you're gonna upgrade any part of the brake system, the front brakes should always be the first thing...

I'd be surprised if your car doesn't have terribly stability under heavy braking, since changing the bias towards to rear (using pads) will probably give it a tendency to oversteer.

So you've basically set up your car to drift already, with the brake pads...
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:57 AM
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The problem with progressive rate springs as I have heard (note, ive never actually driven a car with them) is that they are not linear, and therefore the car will not behave in a linear predictable fashion. Also because of the progressive rate spring has a soft section, the car has to roll enouh to take up this soft section before getting to the stiff section, ths means there is allways going to be more body roll and slower transitions then with a linear spring. Progressive rate spring are for ride comfort only, not performance.

here's a short little article on why stiffer isnt allways better.

http://www.drifting.com/article.php?...st&show_Title=


There is an optimum spring rate for each driving condition, that will combine roll control, traction over bumps etc to end up being fastest, which isnt necessarily stiffer. A totally stiff car would be like having no suspension at all.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Valkyrie
Why in the world would you put overpriced Endless pads on the rear, and use OEM pads on the front? The front brakes have to do 3-4 times the work of the rear brakes, so if you're gonna upgrade any part of the brake system, the front brakes should always be the first thing...

I'd be surprised if your car doesn't have terribly stability under heavy braking, since changing the bias towards to rear (using pads) will probably give it a tendency to oversteer.

So you've basically set up your car to drift already, with the brake pads...

^ I agree with him, buy some endless pads for the front too.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 01:05 AM
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 01:36 AM
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I'll get Endless pads for the front when they wear down. The reason why I got rears only is because my rears were worn, but my fronts were not, so I got Endless pads for the rear. My friend gave me a brand new set of OEM fronts, so those were replaced at the same time.

Thanks for the link for spring stiffness, and the info on progressive springs.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 01:43 AM
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yes, linear > progressive =)
And if your lookin for racing beats, I got some for sale if your interested.
https://www.rx7club.com/a-149/fs-racing-beat-springs-507045/
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by vinz8
I'll get Endless pads for the front when they wear down. The reason why I got rears only is because my rears were worn, but my fronts were not, so I got Endless pads for the rear. My friend gave me a brand new set of OEM fronts, so those were replaced at the same time.

Thanks for the link for spring stiffness, and the info on progressive springs.

This isn't really a matter of wear... it's simply that your rear end might decide to suddenly swing out while you're breaking hard, which will be baaaadddddddd (to the maxxx), because you've essentially changed your brake bias towards the rear.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by vinz8
I'll get Endless pads for the front when they wear down. The reason why I got rears only is because my rears were worn, but my fronts were not, so I got Endless pads for the rear. My friend gave me a brand new set of OEM fronts, so those were replaced at the same time.

Thanks for the link for spring stiffness, and the info on progressive springs.

I dont think you understand, your set up now is potentially very dangerous. If you brake near the limit your rears will lock up before your fronts and spin you, either buy endles pads for the front, or buy stock pads for the rear to use untill your front pads wear out. Your gaining nothing by having performance pads on the rear only except the possibility of wrecking your car.
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