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Old Feb 7, 2002 | 09:07 PM
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How far did you turn yours ?
like turns total... as in one full turn...
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Old Feb 7, 2002 | 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by SoulPyr0
How far did you turn yours ?
like turns total... as in one full turn...
Now your scaring me! It gets turned a very small amount, with the aid of a timing light. I highly recommend you leave this alone or get an expert to do it!
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Old Feb 7, 2002 | 10:06 PM
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yeah, i'm just trying to learn...
I am getting a profes. to do it... i'm not that crazy
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Old Feb 7, 2002 | 10:49 PM
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Though members mentioned that the timing was self-adjusting after a certain rpm?
All engines have "self-adjusting" timing or they wouldn't be able to run at higher RPM. My 56 Chev had centrifugal weights in the distributor that caused it to advance as RPM increased. You could change the weights to change the timing curve.

In your RX-7 (and all other modern cars) that's a software program in the ECU. That's one of the things changed with the chip. Now it's called mapping. SoulPyr0, you really need to get yourself a manual and do some reading.
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Old Feb 7, 2002 | 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by BhamBill
All engines have "self-adjusting" timing or they wouldn't be able to run at higher RPM. My 56 Chev had centrifugal weights in the distributor that caused it to advance as RPM increased. You could change the weights to change the timing curve.

In your RX-7 (and all other modern cars) that's a software program in the ECU. That's one of the things changed with the chip. Now it's called mapping. SoulPyr0, you really need to get yourself a manual and do some reading.
So that means it's useless to manually adjust that timing by 5deg BTC since the ecu goes by its own curve anyway, no?
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Old Feb 7, 2002 | 11:51 PM
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So that means it's useless to manually adjust that timing by 5deg BTC since the ecu goes by its own curve anyway, no?
Nah, the ECU simply detects the position of the engine via the crank angle sensor (hence the name!), which is set to a base (or static) timing point. The ECU's ignition map basically has "corrections" to this base timing depending on load, rpm, temp, knock, etc. If you adjust the CAS, you move the timing by that amount across the entire range, not a particularly good way to tune.
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 12:49 AM
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Oh yeah, ignition mapping.

Let me get this straight.

Buying something that modifies this "mapping" stuff is better than turning your crank angle sensor until it feels good? That sounds like NASA stuff you need a security clearence for.

When I want my car to go faster, I just jump out and run along side of it yelling.

Now that works.
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 09:15 AM
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when u advance u spark after TDC no damage just loss of power, that is if your octane number can sustain goign to complete tdc. u will gain more power if u can have the the octane number match the sparkor just passed that point...


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No, I mean exactly what I said. There is a point where maximum power will be achieved. Retarded from there you will lose power, advanced from there you will also lose power but you'll do damage because you're trying to push the piston down while it's still coming up.
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 10:05 AM
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TDC? Timing Dead Center ?
Octane will help if you chance your timing i know that for a fact...
But, Would a JET Chip help for the hp problems ?
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 10:11 AM
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TDC is top dead center in a piston engine
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 10:50 AM
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That really woudnt help me since i dont have a piston engine but, thanks for the knowledge...
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 11:24 AM
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If it will help any, the LEAD mark is at 5 degrees AFTER top dead center and the TRAIL is 20 degrees AFTER top dead center. So with a measuring stick you should be able figure out where TOP DEAD CENTER is within reason.
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Kahren
when u advance u spark after TDC no damage just loss of power, that is if your octane number can sustain goign to complete tdc. u will gain more power if u can have the the octane number match the sparkor just passed that point...
Advancing ignition timing means the spark comes before TDC. You and NZConvertible are thinking the same thing, you just have your terminology a little off I think.
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 11:42 AM
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Hey, for anybody who is reading this and having trouble understanding Port timing, and terms such as TDC, BDC, ATDC, BTDC, ABDC, BBDC, then check out this site. http://personal.riverusers.com/~yawpower/dectech.html
Its a long article, but READ it, and understand it. It will totally help you out with understanding port timing in a rotary engine. And while you are it, read the other tech articles on this page. Paul Yaw explains everything REALLY well. This site tought me SOO much about rotary engines. http://personal.riverusers.com/~yawpower/techindx.html
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Kahren
TDC is top dead center in a piston engine
SoulPyr0 - TDC is basically the same thing in a rotary engine. Its when the intake cycle is complete, and the air/fuel mixture is completely compressed against one side of the rotor, and the rotor housing.
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 01:40 PM
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yea i was thinking that, i really meant advancing is EARLIER, sorry for my "typo"

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Advancing ignition timing means the spark comes before TDC. You and NZConvertible are thinking the same thing, you just have your terminology a little off I think.
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by SpeedRacer


Advancing ignition timing means the spark comes before TDC. You and NZConvertible are thinking the same thing, you just have your terminology a little off I think.
I would think advancing ignition timig would mean the spark comes before where it used to be set...IF factory specs are for the leading plugs to fire f degrees ATDC and you set it to fire right at TDC, you've advanced it five degrees. I think

Cory
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Old Feb 8, 2002 | 04:22 PM
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I better not screw w/ this, as I am completly LOST at this point. But good info guys!
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