2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

Auto Engine to Manny Tranny

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 06:49 PM
  #1  
ThePunishedRx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: La Porte Tx
TX Auto Engine to Manny Tranny

I'm a noob so I don't really know but is it possible to mount an automatic engine onto a manual transmission?
if so how? :O
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 06:54 PM
  #2  
rx7_FREAKKK's Avatar
They live We sleep
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 919
Likes: 0
From: Dot Island
Originally Posted by ThePunishedRx7
I'm a noob so I don't really know but is it possible to mount an automatic engine onto a manual transmission?
if so how? :O
change to flywheel. Find clutch and plate And Pilot bearing. Engines are not Automatic. they are just engines.

Not sure what ya got.. what are you doing agian? auto to manual swap? Cause you gona need alot more than that..

Last edited by rx7_FREAKKK; Jan 21, 2012 at 07:03 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 07:30 PM
  #3  
Poker Player's Avatar
Full Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
From: West Coast!
Just run the automatic engine for awhile to tire her down a bit. Then carefully have a few buddies hold her steady. Take the Manual transmission and as you lead him behind the automatic engine, as he mounts her..... ok.. I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist your question!
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:07 PM
  #4  
ThePunishedRx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: La Porte Tx
Im getting a motor from an automatic car and putting it onto a manual transmission. If that answers your question
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:15 PM
  #5  
mikey1992's Avatar
No Sleep
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 272
Likes: 1
From: Houston, TX
if im not mistaken the rear iron mounting is diff. correct?is that what the op is have an issue with>?
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:23 PM
  #6  
rx7_FREAKKK's Avatar
They live We sleep
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 919
Likes: 0
From: Dot Island
Originally Posted by mikey1992
if im not mistaken the rear iron mounting is diff. correct?is that what the op is have an issue with>?
No i did an auto to manual swap.. But if he does not know what he is doing he will run into problems. Not sure what year his car is. is it an s4 or s5? turbo non turbo all parts are not the same. My engine was from an auto. the rear irons are the same.. thats not the issue. But if he gets an engine from the wrong year car he will have issues
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:24 PM
  #7  
Poker Player's Avatar
Full Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
From: West Coast!
RX Freak is right, there is an N/A engine or turbo.. those are the differences... You'll just have to swap or add make changes in the flywheel, clutch, Pilot bearing basically depending on the year or series of car. I knew what you meant "ThePunishedRx7" I was just having fun with your question... my appologies rx-7 friend... peace...
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:28 PM
  #8  
mikey1992's Avatar
No Sleep
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 272
Likes: 1
From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by rx7_FREAKKK
No i did an auto to manual swap.. But if he does not know what he is doing he will run into problems. Not sure what year his car is. is it an s4 or s5? turbo non turbo all parts are not the same. My engine was from an auto. the rear irons are the same.. thats not the issue. But if he gets an engine from the wrong year car he will have issues
The car is 86 S4 NA but the engine is from a 88 S4 NA. My question is when we change to a flywheel do we have to change the rear counterweight as well?
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:29 PM
  #9  
rotorholic's Avatar
DPG Burnout
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,420
Likes: 9
From: DALLAS TX
If its a second gen engine, It fits without any issues. Don't forget to press in a pilot bearing.
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:34 PM
  #10  
REAmemiya_fan's Avatar
Passion for Racing
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,066
Likes: 2
From: Crown Point, Indiana
Rear iron shouldn't be any different. Just take out the engine, make sure you have a manual flywheel and clutch and pressure plate (preferably an exedy oem replacement), and a new throw out bearing. If the car you're putting it in is already manual, then make sure it still has the master and slave cylinders. Check for leaks and wear. If the condition is unknown, best off just buying replacements from rock auto. Both my master and slave are ZF Sachs units, slave hose is RacingBeat stainless steel, and fluid is any old brake fluid. You can use the synthetic fluid if you want too. And I know Project Mu sells racing fluid, but it is really not necessary unless you will be heavily tracking the car with a BBK.

Also, now would be a good time to replace your trans fluid as well. Drain plug is 21mm (IIRC), check the magnet for both grey and bronze particles. If it's really goopy, it shouldn't really be a problem. That's normal wear. But if there are any chunks, then there could be something seriously wrong in it. Grey= gears, bronze= synchros. Let it drain for a good hour or two, as you don't want much of any of the old fluid in there. clean the gunk off the plug, get a new crush washer, and put it back in. I like using anti-seize on all my bolts, just for that peace of mind. Torque it down relatively good, I have not seen any official torque spec on it, even in the FSM. Then, take the fill plug off. Use a box end wrench, and just remove it. Then, fill with any synthetic trans fluid with the proper viscosity rating for your temp range. It takes 3 US quarts. Anti-seize, tighten in, walla. You should now have a nice starting point for your new manual. It seems like a lot of work, but worth every bit of it.
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:53 PM
  #11  
rx7_FREAKKK's Avatar
They live We sleep
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 919
Likes: 0
From: Dot Island
Originally Posted by mikey1992
The car is 86 S4 NA but the engine is from a 88 S4 NA. My question is when we change to a flywheel do we have to change the rear counterweight as well?
The counter weight is built into the Flywheel bud. its part of the unit. But you make sure you are running NA parts. vs turbo parts. If you run turbo trans. you need turbo tran parts. the engine that comes from the auto has a FLEX plate Only. Prolly with a counterweight. You wont use that with the flywheel, Dont forget to get a Pilot bearing pressed in. the engine with the autos Dont have one
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2012 | 09:03 PM
  #12  
rx7_FREAKKK's Avatar
They live We sleep
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 919
Likes: 0
From: Dot Island
Infact. You dont even need to press a Pilot bearing in. I used a socket and a Light hammer and tapped it in with greese.. But you have to do it gental. and Evenly
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2012 | 02:43 PM
  #13  
vrracing's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 901
Likes: 1
From: Austin
This will answer your questions...

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/2n...to_5speed.html

It's not overly difficult.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2012 | 07:12 PM
  #14  
walken's Avatar
Registered Loser
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 2,224
Likes: 0
From: Whiterock
you can buy a lightweight flywheel and bolt it to the counterweight and not have to worry about the PITA 54mm nut.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2012 | 07:26 PM
  #15  
FirstRotaryExp's Avatar
The Brap is Back
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 1
From: Dandridge, Tennessee
Outside of needing a flywheel for the motor, there is only 1 physical difference between an auto engine and a manual engine: On the throttle body there will be a double diaphram that acts against the first set of throttle plates. On a manual transmission equipped car the TB has a single diaphram. There is ultimately nothing wrong with using either or, I ran the auto TB on my last nonturbo for 5 years and i never suffered a problem from it.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2012 | 07:36 PM
  #16  
bumpstart's Avatar
talking head
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,775
Likes: 15
From: Perth, WA, OZ
it the FD engine that has a specific rear plate ( iron ) for the auto model
,, s4/5 FC is identical in the basic block between auto and manual,, but slightly different in TB and has an extra switch/sender on the water pump assembly
PS
manual cars have a spigot bearing fitted into the rear of the crank

s4 auto starter fits the turbo manual gearbox ,, and is an upgrade
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2012 | 07:06 PM
  #17  
ThePunishedRx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: La Porte Tx
Thanks guys. hopefully I can get the money up soon and have it running the streets!
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
maikelc
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
8
Aug 24, 2015 11:04 AM
immanuel__7
Megasquirt Forum
3
Aug 22, 2015 09:34 PM
IB Cristina
West RX-7 Forum
0
Aug 20, 2015 05:46 PM
Wicked93gs
New Member RX-7 Technical
0
Aug 17, 2015 12:14 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:22 AM.