Aaron Cake

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This is an FYI for all members posting here. A new revised set of rules and guidelines has just been posted at the top of this forum. These new rules/guidelines have been specifically rewritten to clean up the original thread, and address some concerns that have popped up over the last couple of months.

ALL MEMBERS, NEW AND OLD, MUST READ AND UNDERSTAND THESE RULES

2nd Gen Forum Rules/Guidelines:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456843


This thread here for a few days to give you a place to respectfully offer your input and ask questions regarding these changes. Please let the mods know if there are any areas that are unclear, or if there is anything you feel that these rules/guidelines don't address. We are open to constructive and helpful suggestions.

Thank you,
The Moderators

felixwankel88

hey, i have a quick question on the sig rule, i feel as if u host it somwhere else, the size of the file should not matter, and the size of pixils should be unlimited to some extent..??

Agent_D

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how about not having links to useless **** in your sig?? outback steakhouse...

SonicRaT

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Banning for misinformation? Who's the judge of that? Surely you aren't going to pretend you mods know everything there is to know about EVERYTHING. Seems to me a pathetic excuse to finally find a reason to get rid of iceblue... Gotta love not attacking the mods, lord knows their so sensitive, can't get their **** uniform out of shape!



There's the spam (don't forget to delete this thread), this is an obvious postwhore, so I'll save everyone the trouble:

Icemark

No, if you have dial up (or cable and lots of users) a large signature is pure torture, and does delay downloading of other questions and replies in the threads.

Icemark

Oh common man... grow up... Its a good thing that we know you are being sarcastic.

SonicRaT

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Too bad I was only half being sarcastic, lol. I do think that the misinformation thing is soley based upon iceblue (there's not THAT many repeat offenders!). But yeah, busting the ***** of moderators sure does make the time go quicker!

Icemark

LOL

yeah, Iceblue's (shall we say creative answers/post) has come up multiple times in the Moderators section of the forum.

SonicRaT

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I think the only real annoyance I have is when you get about 4 guys who all claim to have evidence of something that contradicts someone else, yet they don't have a means to post it, yet swear to god it's true regardless, and argue back and forth for days on end, but I don't think there's much that can be done in those means. (I still think a damn IQ test should be a requirement!)

Icemark

Most of those are: "it worked that way on my buddies car"
Or
"I know this guy that told me"
Or
"my Mazda Mechanic who used to work for Joe Blow, says that the air pump makes a bitchen supercharger"

Or stuff like that.

But people just can't say when it is really something they have done, or when its something they read on the internet or heard 2nd or third hand.

ddub

I already explained this to you Dustin. No matter where it's hosted, that isn't the point. Not EVERYONE has high speed internet, and they still have to load the picture regardless of where you have it hosted.

ddub

My interpretation of the misinformation part isn't as strict as you, James, may think it's going to be held to. I think it was more for the blatently wrong answers that are sometimes posted on here that we want to have dealt with. I for one definitely don't claim to have all the answers, in fact I have very few But there are times that people (not just iceblue!!) have issues with posting correct information, and then other n00bs come into the thread and are like "oh yah that makes sense" and all of a sudden we have 10 new people running around with the wrong idea.

WildKarrde

And also, if somebody wants to be malicious, they could post a signature that's 5000*5000 or something like that. Or, they could post a really small picture, that has no compression, and a bajillion colors, making the file size really big.

RotaryResurrection

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If sigs are such a problem, users should have the option to browse the forum with no sigs and avatars displayed. I know of other forums that have had this option in the past.

I also think it'd be a good idea to use no-sig-by-default as the forum default. This way they can post the sig the first time they post in a given thread, but the forum doesnt let them do so in subsequent posts in the same thread. Teamfc3s forum does this automatically, even if you try to post the sig repeatedly it does not let you.

I have no problem with misinformation being posted at times, as long as the mods don't get their panties in a bunch when I chew the misinfo poster's *** for doing so

1987RX7guy

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We do have that option. Try checking your "options" in your User Control Panel. You're allowed to disable them.

You should'a searched noob
j/k

1987RX7guy

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RotaryResurrection

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Yes, I guess I did.

Okay, to the mods: that being the case, why the hell is this even an issue? For those whiners who know they have a slow connection, why shouldnt they just disable avatars and sigs altogether, and let the rest of us do as we please (within reason, of course).

I think a 40k sig around 640x480 is certainly reasonable if it's only allowed to be posted once per thread per person.

SonicRaT

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Because you're assuming that these n00bs can find that option before they complain, which just ain't gonna happen!

1987RX7guy

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WORD brotha!

We seriously need "newbie" training camps.

Agent_D

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lol kev if you hadnt noticed it till he pointed it out, what makes ya think the n00bs will hehe

BigMike85

Is there a way that new users have to read the faq before posting? Kind of like confirmation emails to set up accounts and whatnot. I think that might help out a lot.

- Mike

1987RX7guy

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MODs:


Ok how about this can't we have members with say 1k+ posts be approved as "Newbie Mentors" ?


Like have who ever wants to deal with noobs and their questions be assigned to a new member as they sign up. I'm sure some of the senior memebers here wouldn't mind taking on one, two or even several "protoge" members.


I wouldn't mind but I doubt my harshness would go over well, on my bad days....

Aaron Cake

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What part of "This thread here for a few days to give you a place to respectfully offer your input and ask questions regarding these changes." and "We are open to constructive and helpful suggestions." was so difficult to understand? Already, this thread about the rules has been polluted in the exact same way that the rules and guidlines are there to prevent! This is very disappointing, but somehow not surprising.

I will address specific issues in turn:

There are several issues with allowing huge signatures:

1. Space. You would be amazed how many times I have warned people for insanely large signatures. We're talking about 1000 x 2000 graphics, banners that run on horizontally for several screens, etc. You would think that common sense would tell people that posting an 800 x 600 image of their car in a signature would be stupid, but you would be wrong.

2. Bandwidth. Many people still browse this forum on older machines, and slower connections. For those people, it can take minutes to render a page containing several huge images, and that's after a lengthy download process. I have warned at least 20 people for signatures of over 1 Meg in size. That's just ridiculous.

3. Scrolling. Large images mean horizontal scrolling for many people, so it then becomes very annoying to read each post as the screen must constantly be scrolled around.

The sig rules are also part of the larger subset of forum rules, so they are not specific to the 2nd gen forum. It just so happens that for some reason, 2nd gen owners seem to be the largest violators of the signature rules.

You know, I was going to reply to this in private, but I'm keeping it plublic as an example.

Do you seriously that this was an appropriate way to bring up this issue? The suggestion is welcome, and does make some sense. However, the way in which you presented it goes against the "be considerate" rule. Instead, you could have said:

"How about a guideline that says all signature content should be relevant to this forum?"

Instead, your remark was made CLEARLY in the spirit of hostility. And the fact that it is in a thread where a moderator specifically asked for respectful and constructive comments doesn't help. This is EXACTLY the kind of behaviour that these new rules are trying to address.

People are really starting to tread on thin ice with some of these posts...

Perhaps you should reread the rule? Specifically, it says that if the poster is guilty of continuously posting misinformation and has been warned several times, then they may be banned. Misinformation is being treated as any other rule that has been broken. Someone will not get banned if they make a mistake, or post some inaccurate info once. But if they are a continuous source and refuse to stop after being asked, a ban is in order.

I hope this is sarcasm. Otherwise I'll just take your suggestion...

Exactly. And this is one of the things that started the rewrite of the rules. We needed a way to specifically handle things like misinformation.

Yes, that's certainly true and is a valid option. But let's face it, most people aren't that smart. Plus, even on my T1, I don't want to be downloading 5 Megs of signatures every thread.

That's a good idea, and I will mention it to the admins. I try to post my sig only once per thread, and I've seen that many people try to do the same.

Chewing out is fine, as long as it's done in accordance to the rules and the guidelines. I realise that it can be very frustrating, so some rudeness may occur. But blatant violations are of course something that has to be dealt with and will not be tolerated.

Bingo.

I would love to make a FAQ session a requirement before someone posts, but unfortunatly that functionality does not exist in the forum software. It certainly could be added, but due to the time and annoyance factor, I don't think it ever will.

To Everyone: I think some people may see me as the "evil" mod and think that they have been unfairly treated. Those people need to step back for a second and take an overall look at what happens here and what the mods have to do on a daily basis. No matter what the decision, a moderator's decision will ALWAYS make someone (or some people) unhappy. That's just life. Deal with it. Also, don't yank my chain in this thread unless you feel that you need a time out from posting (for about 7 days).

Aaron Cake

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Sounds like a good idea, but remember that post count does not equal knowledge. I seem to remember a certain poster here that racked up ~8,000 posts in 3 months while still asking questions like "What do I need for a TII swap?"

1987RX7guy

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Thats why I mentioned the part about being "approved" because ofcoarse some guys will want to do bad things to the newbies on purpose. There could be a mean spirited member wanting to make newbies' lives harded by being an awefull mentor.


I would honestly and personally fully support the "mentor" option if it happened, I have plenty of time to devote to other fledgling(sp?) rotary enthusiasts. I find myself answering a few questions every week from new members as it is, might aswell make a system that could make it more efficient and organized.



EDIT: I know post count doesn't directly equal knowledge, I know i'm not on par with most moderators here on general knowledge, but certainly a person with 1k posts *probably* knows how and where to find certain information. Most importantly the learning of searching and cognitive skills about the forum rather than knowing all the emperical data there is to know about FC's.