REMAGIK

i think i want to..... all motor over 220 ps... with some intake and exhaust modifications..... with stock ecu... i think the car would be extremly awsome with excelleration and response........



i am a touge freak...so i think this car would be sweet in the mountain pass..

plus awsome for some flat drift with its 9k redline... and real reliable...

what do u guys think..?

lupin

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I tried doing this a while back but my source crapped out on me so I couldn't do the swap without an engine.

in the end I wish I did this but whateve

1SxyRXy

I don't think it would be worth it in the long run... to much custom fab for something that isn't very reliable..they lose compression and have hot start by 70k. And they aren't easy to come by.. U could easly make 220hp out of a tii. With just exhaust. IMO I don't think its worth or I wouldn't even consider doing it

My5ABaby

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I would just go with a BT. For the money involved in a MSP swap, you could build a nice BT that would blow the MSP away.

lupin

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I'd much rather have a renesis then a TII, I'd rather be na.

tuns0ffun65

why would youput a renesis in the fc thats the part that makes the rx8 suck

NOPR

yeah its not like it was named engine of the year when it came out or anything. what an ignorant post.

220 n/a hp is impressive, its a great engine and i'd love to have one in an FC. is it the most cost effective way to get that amount of power? no, its not, but if you have the money and the desire i think you shuld go for it because you'd have a unique and badass car when all was said and done.

rotarygod

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Actually there has been more than 1 ignorant post here! The Renesis engine is superior to the 13B. Period. Saying it isn't is like saying an LS1 isn't a better engine than that of a Model T. They aren't that hard to come by. You just have to know where to look. In the same light, it's not as easy to find a 13B anymore. Unless you know where to look. The Renesis is a more expensive engine but it should be. It's newer and more powerful.

They do not have any more hot start issues by 70K miles than any other rotary engine and they also don't always lose compression. It would be just as easy to say that all rotary engines overheat and blow up apex seals. They don't. Please don't spread crap like this around. Yes a TII can make this much horsepower. It's got a freaking turbo on it. It had better. It needs a turbo just to make as much power!

The RX-8 does not suck because of the Renesis. I know people complain that the RX-8 isn't very fast (still faster than any stock 1st or 2nd gen including the TII) and it doesn't get any better gas mileage. A little bit of homework will reveal why. First off that car weighs about 300 lbs or so more than the RX-7. Second, it has a 4.44:1 rear end ratio. The engine is always spinning faster than the 13B in the RX-7 to hold the same speed and it's moving more weight in the process. Put that motor in an RX-7 and you'd have a 20+ mpg city/ 30 mpg highway engine. Weight and gearing and the issues in that car and along with a little bit of poor ecu tuning from the factory.

Speedsource Racing talked about their 2 rotor race car this last weekend at Sevenstock. It is a completely stock internally Renesis engine that has a stock intake manifold and exhaust manifold. They have no cat and a straight through muffler. They are also using a stock air filter and intake that is only slightly modified for more airflow. They have a light flywheel. With nothing more than very good tuning from a Motec ecu, they are hitting 260 hp with their engine. That's around 225-230 rwhp or so. No port job, nothing. That's pretty good from an engine with no port overlap and no turbo. Let's see a nonbridge ported 13B do that without revving over 10K!

Don't be so quick to judge the Renesis. It's a far better engine than the 13B technologically. Those who disagree just don't understand it yet.

Here's someone that thought the Renesis was worth putting in an old Datsun UTE truck!
http://www.mazfix.com.au/custcars/rx8ute.html

RETed

This is going to sound like a broken record...

SEARCH!

Why would you want to put an engine that's worth more than your car into your car?
Boy, did that make sense?

How old are you?
Did you just see the 200+ hp rating and decided: yeah, I want that!
Can you afford it?
How about you give us pics of the engine (and trans?) sitting in your garage?
Do you even know how much the engine (and trans?) costs?
Do you have on purchased or in transit?

Any 13BT is going to smoke that RX-8 swap, and the 13BT is cheaper and easier to do, period.

Touge?
You must be under 21...


-Ted

DarkKnightFC

Touge is JDM ted, you should know that. Why not just buy an RX-8 and Rip all the interior out and replace all the body with carbon parts? Oh wait, its that whole buying the RX-8 part of it. The NA fc is a perfectly good mountain car, you should just concentrate on handling mods if you want to be faster.

Chris

1SxyRXy

word.. its totally not worth it.. you can make good power on 13b NA if you know what your doing.. even with this godly renisis your still gonna prolly lose to a mustang or something.. the power difference isnt even worth it.

BoostedRX

Whoa! Dude comeon now thats alittle bias don't you think? I love Touge and I'm under 21...is that such a bad thing?

As for pricing on a renesis motor and trans...Does anyone know this?

Also, would the T2 driveshaft fit to the rx8 trans? Would you need a rx8 driveshaft?

There are alot of questions that would need to be answered to do this swap. At least I would have to do ALOT of research on this cause obviously I have not done it because I know I don't have the money for something like this, but if I did I would do it. If I had the money I would not think twice about putting the renesis into my T2.

All I have to say is if you have the funds to do this then by all means go ahead and do what you want.

anewconvert

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So when someone buys a TII, then gets it ported, gets a standalone, injectors, tune, and essentailly makes it worth MORE than there car then that makes a lot of sense too huh?

Seriously, we ALL WASTE money on making our cars faster. its a loss EVERY TIME. So to say that putting a Renesis into an FC doesnt make any sense becuase it is expensive comes out sounding incredibly hypocritical.


BC

DarkKnightFC

Ted you should have said 15 times worth more than your car. A renesis would cost a **** ton more than all that stuff you just mentioned. Take Mazda apex seals for example.

Chris

J-Rat

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Alot of the renesis power drop was attributed to the changes in ECU programming due to the car being placed on US shores. Once the ECU reflash was done, power suffered. There is also the question of what intake manifolds/etc you would use, as the stock rennie has something like 20 moving parts in the intake alone?

There would be alot to sort out expecially in the control area. There would be eng/tranny mounting issues, Drive shaft issues, etc... So you had better know a fairly competent fabricator.

My guess is, if you could get through the mounting of the motor, you will still have to sort out how to run it. Can it be done? I am sure it can! Why has it NOT been done yet? Guess thats up to you to figure out.

DarkKnightFC

He said specifically TOUGE because thats what young uns' call it. He could tell that the person making the comment was young because he used that word. I don't know what old guys call it. I don't call it anything, I've gotta drive thru the mountains wherever I go, I just happen to be kicking *** when I do it.

Chris

J-Rat

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There is a fine line between dropping about 5k ish on the parts you stated, and quite possibly dropping 15k on the rennie swap that will still make less hp in the end.

anewconvert

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OK fine, what about a 20B.


Point is that is only stupid if you get yourself in trouble financially, and many people do that anyhow.

BC

(and given the option i would go 20B with more potnetial than the Renesis, but that being said my point still stands)

J-Rat

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What about a 20b? With technology being what it is, its not even a necessary swap unless you just want RIDICULOUS hp. Since I own a daily driven 400+ hp car, I can honestly say that there IS a limit to streetable horsepower. Oh, and I did that on stockports, no streetport needed...

anewconvert

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But there was no statement made by ted at all about hp-$. He simply stated that to spend more on an engine than you car is worth "doesnt make sense"


My argument is that most of us, at this poitn, are guilty of doing that. That is the game with modifying cars.


Is it stupid to do that? OF COURSE! Does it make it any more stupid to spend that kind of money on one engine over another? Not at all.

If someone wants to spend the cash to be different awesome. Im spending the equivalent of a good TII on an N/A just to be different. Doenst make my wasted money any more of a waste than someone else spending the equivalent amount of cash on a TII.

BC

J-Rat

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REMAGIC's profile:

Unless someone is a trust fund baby, this whole argument is just a waste of bandwidth...

RETed

No, it's not.
Look at the numbers...

By the time you get the RX8 engine and trans all hooked up and running, you could've done a 13BT swap with trans + all the BPU goodies.
The SE3P engine would barely make 200hp at the wheels.
The 13BT would be making over 200hp at the wheels easily.
The 13BT would be making a LOT more torque.

Sure, the SE3P engine can spin higher, but the 13BT would've smoked the car by now.


-Ted

RETed

Do you want to do this swap?

Last time I saw, it was $5,000+.
A used 13BT + trans can be had for $1,500.
I'm even dropping the estimate of the SE3P engine and trans down to $3,000 - reasonable?
You still got ~$1,000 to play with - exhaust, intake, etc.


-Ted

BoostedRX

Are you kidding me? The japanese have called it touge since mountain driving was first done. Thats what it's called. Just because he didn't say mountain driving and instead chose to use the correct term he is automatically seen as some young kid?

I'm new here so I don't want to pick a fight or anything cause I like to get along with everyone, but I hate how I see on so many forums how us younger car enthusiasts are in so many ways treated like we are dumb fast and the furious no nothing little kids.

I have no problem saying that I'm 18 years old and a proud owner of a T2 FC only because I saw the car in Initial D. If it wasn't for the anime series I would have probably never gotten into cars or drifting, touge, or rotaries. Why do you "older" folks have to lump all of us younger kids into some bad group? I mean ok yeah I'm into drifting and bought an FC for the sole purpose of getting into the drifting scene and yes I was stupid and slammed a gaurdrail with my FC at 50mph(luckily they are made tough and I came out with minor fender damage). Isn't that all a part of growing up and learning from stupid mistakes. I just don't understand why we "young uns" are associated and treated with such negative comments.

I'm sorry if perhaps I'm flipping out and getting angry for no reason. I just didn't like how he was automatically rediculed for his aspiration to do something noone else has done before.

To the creator of this thread I humbly apologize for this thread jacking.

ericgrau

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Upgrade exhaust, intake. Add VDI & cai. Rotor balancing for a higher redline. Street port. There, now you have over 210 flywheel HP without the ridiculous time and money it takes to force a Renesis into an FC.