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Ok so ill try to fill in as much info as i can. If i leave anything out please just ask.

1987 RX7 N/A 5 Speed Manual - 3.5 in exhaust ( thats it for mods )

The car has been fine since i bought it. I had to replace the starter once and after that it fired up every time first shot. One night my dad went to move my car off the driveway, he started the car cold, moved it onto the road and turned off the car right away. It was probably -20's outside (canada).

Right away i thought the car was flooded so i didnt some research before posting. I tried pulling the EGI fuses, cranking it, putting them back in.. and nothing still wont start.

I tried took off the air filter and tried spraying quick start up there for a few seconds and it still didnt start.

I tried pressing the gas pedal to the floor and cranking.. no start.

I pulled the EGI fuses, pulled the spark plugs and cranked. Put them back in.. no start.

The spark plugs were blackish and smelt like gas. I dont know when they were changed last but the previous owner had the car sitting for about a year or two before i got it.

When i try to turn the key my RPM needle does not budge. No spark??

I have gas in the tank :P

Have i answered my own question? Spark plugs? Lol or Do you guys sugest anything else.

HERES A QUICK VIDEO GUYS. ITS DARK BUT YOU CAN HEAR THE CAR.

http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/s...=rx7forums.mp4

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Anyone? Come on guys!

MrGoodnight

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Alright so i had this problem where the rpm needle wouldnt not move either, check the egi fuse to make sure its good, and then check under the dash at the fuse box for a blown number 15 fuse. That would cause the car not to start and for the rpm needle to not move. Hope i helped good luck

MrGoodnight

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A number 15 fuse, not the 15 fuse, idk which fuse it is exactly, but it acts almost the same as the gi fuse if its blown.

satch

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15 amp fuse to check would be the Engine fuse.

3vil

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i'm wondering if you're motor isn't just still flooded? if those fuses check out you might want to retry the full de-flooding procedure

• pull the EGI fuses
• pull the spark plugs
• with the gas pedal to the floor, crank the motor over for 10 secs, wait a bit, then crank for 10 sec again
• inject a bit of oil into the Trailing plug holes. IIRC it's like 1 teaspoon per rotor, but i might be wrong on the ammount
• put the plugs and the fuses back in
• with a strong battery or a jump start off another car try to start your car (this is because i assume your battery is weak from trying to start)

hopefully your girl with catch pretty quickly and start pumping out clouds of smoke as it burns off that extra oil. if it does start let it fully warm up or even take it for a drive before you shut it off.

SpikeDerailed

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As cold as the OP was claiming it to be I think you may be right.

rxmiles

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It could be you're air flow sensor I had this problem when I forgot to plug it back in, check the cables, and check if there's spark getting to the plugs

nycgps

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black plugs? change them.

your engine is seriously carbon'up and flooded.

NEXTIME

Thanks alot for the advice guys! Im going to try the full deflooding procedure thats 3vil suggested first. I know i gotta change those plugs :P but i wanted to see if i could get this thing started before throwing parts at it. Im just trying to get it started so i can swap it for a less modified FC. The custom fiberglass body kit with shopping cart wing that the previous owner put on got old pretty fast :P

HAILERS2

IF the tach needle does not budge there is NO spark. Spark is dependent on the ENGINE fuse and EGI fuse(S). As mentioned in the posts above.

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Ok i just completed everything 3vil suggested. It did not start. My battery is on charge right now tho because it has gotten drained pretty bad from trying to start it for a few days now. My EGI fuses are ok. My dad managed to break the 80A black fuse tho.. The plastic on the top of it is busted off so the metal inside is exposed. Its the one named MAIN? i think. Anyways the other fuses in fuse box in car checked out fine.. Im hoping that once the battery charges it will start up.

3vil

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just an fyi, the 80 amp fuse doesn't just pull out like the rest. i assume that's how your dad broke it. it has to be unbolted (10mm i think) and you can usually find new 80amp fuses at places like autozone or oreily's

also take the neg cable off the battery before messing with the main fuse, it's really to pop it on accident when re-installing it.

HAILERS2

ENGINE and both EGI have to be good for fuel and spark.

MrGoodnight

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Thanks for putting those attachments up HAILERS2, i never had a cover or a diagram of what fuse is for what, thats really helpful

NEXTIME

Ok guys.. i got new sparks plugs, fuses are all ok. The car still wont start.. Anything else i should check for? I dont get why my needle still isnt moving.. This is starting to **** me off i wont get anything for the car not running..

amondchristopher

ok i had a problem with the tac not moving .... but it was my own doing i grounded or i should say regrounded ( cause there was a added ground wire and it was broke off) anyway i fixed it and car would not start removed wire and ta da. look for a missing or broken off wire

IlleztImportz

im following along on this thread for i too have the same problem but difference is i have a MY94. de-flooding did not fix my problem. new plugs and still no start. i also tried checking for spark from the plugs but got nothing im not sure if im even doing it right o_O

but as amondchristopher said about a loose wire, i do have one just laying there that seems to have been pulled/torn out of where it goes. it is part of the wiring harness, and is a very small but long black wire. it is loacted in the area where the spark plugs closer to the firewall are.

timfaris

If you have no ground shorts or dissconnected wires in your dash in which i have had i n the past. check for a spark at the plug. if you do have a spark at the plug. try adding just a squirt of auto tran fluid to each sparkplug chamber, or antifreeze. your seals might be down, this will cause them to swell up and give you commpression. i had this problem after mine set for about 4 months. And i put a toggle switch on my fuel pump to stop the flooding that alot of rx7 seem to have. works great.

blackrotary23

HERE IS WHAT TO DO:

IN ORDER FROM TOP TO BOTTOM

check for spark at the leading and trailing coils

check your main relay (this is what controls your signal to the rpm gauge)

check your fuel pressure

check your fuel pump for continuity with the yellow 2 pin connector under the hood

check your throttle position sensor

check your mass air flow meter

check your fuel pump solenoid resistor

IF YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THESE NOT CHECK OUT RIGHT, YOUR CAR WILL NOT START PROPERLY OR NOT START AT ALL. ANYTHING LISTED ABOVE THAT IS BAD, REPLACE AND YOU SHOULD BE OK.

zeal

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Did you check spark at all?

Take out the spark plug, have it plugged into the coil pack, take a jumper cable and clamp one side to the threads on plug, and other side to negative on battery, then crank and you should see spark, but only for a couple seconds since fuel will be spewing.

Btw, I learned this all today as I had a similar issue, it was insanely flooded.
Btw #2, if your main fuse was messed up, it wouldn't crank or anything would be working at all...

wmele25

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You need to check for spark. Pull a plug and plug it into the spark plug cable it came off of then touch the plug to a good ground somewhere while somebody cranks the car over. This will do two things. One it will show you if you are getting spark. Since your tch isn't moving at all when you turn the key on I would expect that your not getting spark, but it will also clear that rotor of any excess gas and oil that will be in it from cranking it. If you aren't getting spark first check power in and out of the main relay, then check and see if you are getting signal out of the crank angle sensor, then check your coils, then the last thing it could be is your ECU. If you are getting spark then the easiest way I've found to deflood the engine is to just unplug the fuel pump. For whatever reason I rarely have luck with just unplugging the EGI fuse but every single time I unplug the fuel pump its a sure shot. The fuel pump has a 4 or 5 wire plug that is attatched on the back side of the driver side rear shock tower. Its hard to miss. Usually when I unplug the fuel pump I will crank the car over until it starts and I will have enough time to get out of the car and plug the fuel pump back in before the car dies.

zeal

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wmele25, first he should double check EGI controls JUST FUEL in his car, otherwise he'll never get a spark if it controls fuel, spark, and ECU as it does in my car