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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 01:44 PM
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what's the most HP to the wheels you guys think we can get out of a 13b without boosting it of course, and without meth fuel. want to rebuild my engine but i want to make the most horsepower i can and keep it all motor, let me know please any sugestion or what's the most hp you have seen in a 13b that is
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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there are a ton of other threads about this already. theres a good one in the archives and quite a few others if u search. i read somewhere of people getting 215 or so all motor. i dont think nebodys gotten past that yet. if you wanna go all motor theres a company making an individual throttle body kit for the 13b. go stand alone of course. bigger injectors. true duals (not necessary but recommended). true cai (there are some threads around about how to make one). also go with a good street port or if u want to, bridgeport it.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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there are a ton of other threads about this already. theres a good one in the archives and quite a few others if u search. i read somewhere of people getting 215 or so all motor. i dont think nebodys gotten past that yet. if you wanna go all motor theres a company making an individual throttle body kit for the 13b. go stand alone of course. bigger injectors. true duals (not necessary but recommended). true cai (there are some threads around about how to make one). also go with a good street port or if u want to, bridgeport it.

Rather than CAI, ITB's for the most power.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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yeah, i was just mentioning it in case he didnt want to spend $900 on the ITB's on top of the money he'll need to spend on the stand alone cause when you go with the ITB's you have to go standalone
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 05:59 PM
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this all depends on what your budget is, and what you are planning to do with the car. if your planning on driving it on the street, stay away from bridgeporting, youll lose your low end. id reccomend starting out with true duals, they've made quite a difference on my car
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Keeping it streetable your looking at under 200hp...
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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How much are you willing to spend?
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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Keeping it streetable your looking at under 200hp...
This I'm not so sure about. Now, this is an all-amount, money-is-no-object assessment.

-Kahren Stage 2 street port
-RB True duals
-SonicRat ITB's
-Megasquirt/Haltech/Microtech etc.
-660 prim, 720 sec
-Walboro fuel pump
-Koyo Rad

Now..this would probably be plenty to hit 230rwhp. Of course, someone needs to try this out first
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by adrock3217
This I'm not so sure about. Now, this is an all-amount, money-is-no-object assessment.

-Kahren Stage 2 street port
-RB True duals
-SonicRat ITB's
-Megasquirt/Haltech/Microtech etc.
-660 prim, 720 sec
-Walboro fuel pump
-Koyo Rad

Now..this would probably be plenty to hit 230rwhp. Of course, someone needs to try this out first
IIRC there is no proof of 230hp while remaining streetable.. Listen i could be mistaken. From what I understand there are no reports of any N/A's with that much HP on kahren's ports..
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 06:35 PM
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Peripheral Port w/ ITB or carb - but I don't think he's willing to go there. Just the nature of the question itself points to a lack of understanding of what he's (or she's) asking for.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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beefy N/A thread in the archive
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by adrock3217
This I'm not so sure about. Now, this is an all-amount, money-is-no-object assessment.

-Kahren Stage 2 street port
-RB True duals
-SonicRat ITB's
-Megasquirt/Haltech/Microtech etc.
-660 prim, 720 sec
-Walboro fuel pump
-Koyo Rad

Now..this would probably be plenty to hit 230rwhp. Of course, someone needs to try this out first
Ditch the true duals and actually use a system that would advantage of the exhaust gases.

SDJ header + Borla XR-1 + Corksport like cat-back with a real muffler.

Koyo rad wouldn't really add more power. Also include S5 rotors and all the other goodies to let that motor rev too.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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I would keep your stock fuel injector's.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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Stock 460x4 at 230rwhp?!

Why did Mazda bring out the T2 with 200 FLYWHEEL hp with 550x4? Hm...Sounds like lean to me

But yeah, I'm just biased towards true duals, whether or not they make you faster then collected :P
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 12:16 AM
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In australia we've had 320hp at the engine in a streetable car, and 400hp for race cars
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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Wu-Tang port FTW !
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RyosukeFC3C
In australia we've had 320hp at the engine in a streetable car, and 400hp for race cars
damn, how much were they getting to the wheels, do u no?
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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well say 20% drivetrain loss

260rwhp and 320rwhp
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by adrock3217
Stock 460x4 at 230rwhp?!

Why did Mazda bring out the T2 with 200 FLYWHEEL hp with 550x4? Hm...Sounds like lean to me

But yeah, I'm just biased towards true duals, whether or not they make you faster then collected :P
Then quit recommended them. Espcially for a ported setup.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by adrock3217
This I'm not so sure about. Now, this is an all-amount, money-is-no-object assessment.

-Kahren Stage 2 street port
-RB True duals
-SonicRat ITB's
-Megasquirt/Haltech/Microtech etc.
-660 prim, 720 sec
-Walboro fuel pump
-Koyo Rad

Now..this would probably be plenty to hit 230rwhp. Of course, someone needs to try this out first
There's no reason for that much fuel on a non-turbo application. Granted the 460's wouldnt be enough, but 660/720 and a walbro? Not needed at all. When I was trying to build my 220-230rwhp n/a I was going with an FD pump and 4x550 with MSnS. With standalone you can up the duty cycle easily, or get an aftermarket FPR and run higher pressure.

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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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Wu-Tang port FTW !
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RyosukeFC3C
In australia we've had 320hp at the engine in a streetable car, and 400hp for race cars

320bhp on a streetable naturally aspirated rotary? do you mean streetable as in - "even though its p-ported I drive it on the street" or streetable as in " here honey, take the 7 and meet me at the restaurant"
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 04:00 PM
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320bhp on a streetable naturally aspirated rotary? do you mean streetable as in - "even though its p-ported I drive it on the street" or streetable as in " here honey, take the 7 and meet me at the restaurant"
I was just thinking the same thing...Though it could be a three rotor...Or even a 4 rotor.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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well i dont think the poster mentioned anything about driving it on the street, only the most powerful all motor.

which would be:

Peripheral Ported with ITBs and velocity stacks, could pull close to 300RWHP with that setup but it wouldn't be a very streetable drive.
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