wallin

I was just wondering if you could just take off all the belts leaving all the pumps and everything connected to the engine just have them not working, and restricting power. Is this possible for the air pump to just have the belt taken off or do you have to remove the whole unit or all of the units including the AC and Power Steering in that case.

2a+RoN

I don't think it would do any harm on the ac and air pump. I know that a lot of people are too lazy to take off the ac completely so they just take off the belt. The thing is why not just take them out anyways and lose quite a few pounds. For the steering I think that you would need the manual steering rack, but I'm not an expert or anything.

Cory Simpson

I don't see why every ne wants to take all that crap off it doesn't make since. with the belts on them it doesn't kill that much horse power. Also hae you ever drove a non power steering car I think that it takes the fun out of it. driving is more like work.

dr0x

Id rather drive a sports car with really tight firm steering (manual) than a sloppier power assisted one. And another part of it is, have you ever seen an engine that had all that **** removed (including emissions etc) compared to one that does? There is enough room to sleep under the damn hood for a night.

If you think driving with traction control, abs, power steering and all that junk is fun... I pitty you All of those totally take away from the real experience *shrug*.

BDoty311

Removing the belt off of the A/C is pointless. Its a clutched pulley which means it only takes power when it is turned on.

1987RX7guy

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I am only running the Power steering right now and I am taking it off as soon as possible. If you think that driving without some pump assisting you is no fun then you proly are not the king of person that most of us here ARE. I take myself to be HARDCORE unlike most people I know in my home town. THe whole point is to be different. I love seeing people's jaws drop when I say I have no A/C and no stereo. I get similar reacions from people when I tell them I have no emmisions equipment. Removing all the belts possible would probably free up about 5hp not much but it is something you are getting for FREE not to mention there is less stress on you engine. I also like the empty look of the engine bay with all that crap removed. I can't wait until I remove all the unneccessary vacume lines and selenoids and junk.

Cory Simpson

Man your so hard core you don't have power steering WOW. I can't compete with that, driving a car with no power sreering reminds me of driving a tractor with no PS. Personaly I don't like going down the road and feeling like I am plowing a field. And man your even more extreme with no AC I mean how can you live without it. Your not doing anything to your car by taking the AC off if you want the horse power that the AC pulls out of your engine back just turn the air conditioner OFF. Also I live in SC and it gets realy hot in my oppinion I would like to get in my car and be cooled off not sit there and sweat. Also RX7 guy what kind of ***** town do you live in that it is considered hardcore when you don't have PS, and AC.

FC_Iria

Manual steering is really only an issue when you're trying to manuver in a parking lot. But even the, as long as you're not a weak *** then you shouldn't have any problems. Just make sure your tires are always properly inflated.

Also I think the handling and steering in a manual car (which my TII is) is alot tighter and more responsive. I can really feel the road and how the car is reacting alot better.

And one more thing. If a girl can drive a TII with manual steering and not complain about then you shouldn't have any problems

eljefe62

one thing to remember, if the PS is DISABLED, the turn ratio is a lot harder than the stock manual rx's

1987RX7guy

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Cory SImpson


I mean that i am hardcore because I will do whatever it takes for my FC to handle better and go faster. I live in TEXAS fool here every day is like 99 degrees unless it is raining or the winter. I don't mind sweating in my car at all. SOunds like you are the pusy SC haha
try living here for a month without AC. A manual steering rack allows you to feel the road. Powersteering does not I have noticed this while driving my other car which has powersteering and I feel like I am not in control of the car. Manual will respond faster than power because is has a slight lag between the time you move the whell and the time the car starts to turn.

Terrh

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I've owned 3 cars with no power steering - 2 rwd (fiero and chevette) and 1 fwd (prelude)
the fiero wasn't bad. The chevette is awful, and the prelude was worse. The chevette steering has no feel, and is about 234 turns lock to lock. The prelude wasn't bad for feel, but was really heavy and torque steered like a cow.

I liked the fiero manual rack, OK feel, not to bad to park, no weight up front anyways. but I think that 90% of power-to-manual swaps are done poorly and the steering actually feels worse in the end. My TII has power steering, and always will. wow, I lost 2 horsepower. Oh wait, I'll just turn up the boost. Fixed that.

Maybe you n/a guys really need the extra power, but really... is it that much? at least swap to a manual rack, power racks are heavy as ***.

removing working a/c is retarded, unless you line in northern alaska or greenland or something. It's clutched. Are you going to notice the 20lb? or the .00001HP? Unless it's a dedicated racecar, no.
my turbo has A/C, and always will, until it dies, then it goes.

ABS shortens stopping distances. A good, modern abs is a necessity, unless you can vibrate your foot 30 times a second, or you do all your braking on gravel (where locked wheels stop quicker) What's on TIIs is NOT a modern abs. I can see people removing this, it's ghetto. My TII has abs, but not for long My cavalier has ABS, and a pulled ABS fuse.

Traction control is ***. Really, learn to drive. That said, traction control has gotten me unstuck once or twice in my cavalier, but most of the time, it's a hinderance.

dr0x

Hardly. A manual rack is 3 turns lock to lock. The ps rack is 2.5 lock to lock. There isnt much of a difference.

The main reason I ganked my ac out is this: I was going to leave it, but then discovered it was empty. I dont like ac much anyways and was not going to get it refilled. *yank*.

Cory Simpson

Alright now lets not start with the ebonics FOOL! It is not a matter of strength and can a turn it sitting still because I can and I have done it before. For me it is a matter of comfort, and knowing that I can put my pinky finger on the steering weel at a stand still and turn it full left back to full right. And why in the hell would I move to Texas or want to go to Texas you could stand on the ground and see 100 miles, stand on a pebble and see 1000 miles. Also its to hot I hate the heat,thats why I like AC. Also I don't want to sweet in my car and make it smell like BO. If I want to feel the road I'll get out of the car and lovingly caress the soft pavment before driving over it. Or I could go get some harder suspension and polyerithane bushings for my road feel. And who are you calling a ***** I bet at my age I have done more labor intesive and engine work than you. Why back in the day when I was in fifth grade I had to walk 15 miles to school in the snow up hill both ways you hoodlam.

1987RX7guy

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Birthday January 5, 1987

your age hahahahaha

you are only15 do you even have a license?

1987RX7guy

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can you say OWNED Comfort is sacrificed for performance dude. I don't drive with my pinky finger I use my hands. Oh and have you even been here to texas I cant see for 100 miles if I stand on my house.

Cory Simpson

No I'm 16 and yes I do have my license what do you mean your age Hahaha how many engine swaps have you done and no I haven't been to Texas I Don't want to go it's to hot I like the cold but got moved her with the family and found out that it is realy muggy and hot or at least hotter than I like it.

1987RX7guy

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well My engine has never blown up dude. and only 30 RX-7's in my area so not many to do work on bro. It sounds to me like you are a comfort freak. YOu are unwilling to compromise your luxuries. However I will for my car. Oh and the complete A/C system weighs more than 20lbs.

Cory Simpson

There's less than 30 RX-7's in this little armpit town called Aiken I don't think there is 15 I bought a project car and me and my brother did all the work to the car so far. And I'm not a comfort freak I would compromise my luxuries if it will knock 5 seconds off of my 1/4 mile but sense fulling the PS and AC will take a 1/10 of a second or less off of a 1/4 mile it's not worth it to me. And most likly a 1/10 of a second won't win a race. Man I love arguing on the internet you can never tell who your arguing with.

1987RX7guy

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i don't drag race dude. I street race I need as little weight novine around front to back and so on. I should have said you are unwilling to sacrifice istead of compromise. I like to argue aswell. Just know this I don't have anything against you personaly so don't hold a grudge. I just think that every possible savings in weight and gain in performance is good no matter how good you are or how small the gain is.

dr0x

Street racing is drag racing. You are just in unsafe conditions, with out the proper safety equipment, with out any form of timing. I dont know about where you live, but the street racing gatherings here there are generally people smoking weed and getting drunk. Definately NOT someone I want to be racing next to. Not even that, its kind of pointless. Most of the tards here have riced up 16-18 second cars. They usually only race to mid 2nd, maybe mid 3rd. Whats the point lol.

Cory Simpson

I'm not holding a grudge this is fun I'm getting kicks and giggles here. And on your injectors I think if they are different and you put them in your car and run it that it might hurt your ECU and all that computer crap in the car. I would just look in the phone book and call a local machine shop and ask them if they know of anyone that rebuild injectors and get all of them fully cleaned and rebuilt it will give you a little better gas milage and restore any lost power from crud that is stuck in them even if they look clean they are 16 years old.

1987RX7guy

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Drox-

I do not go to gatherings of racers or riciers for that matter. I just race if I am challenged or if I want a piece of someones car I challenge them. I don't do anyform of drugs I even drink non-caffinated Sprite that is not my thing(drigs). I usually race in mid 4th to low 5th. I don't like one gear racing that is kinda gay.

CORY SIMPSON-

That is cool that you are not taking it personal. Thansks for the info on the injectors. BUt it was leaking from the o-ring and grommet not the valve. I am pretty sure I have good gas mileage (19MPG half city half highway) I don't think I need to re-bulild them but meybe I should. I used some STP injector cleaner and redlined a couple of times with that stuff in the tank. How the hell do you take the "pintle cap" off? The one from the 87 is cracked but i have two others that are good. the broken one came off but not the ones that are in one piece. anyone know how?

nillahcaz

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some people like to ride in a car. me... I like to DRIVE, ps, auto tranny, they are for the weak people who go to jiffy lube for an oil change, if you like steering as sloppy as a 40 year old hooker fine keep the ps. , the compleat A/C system when charged is 110lb.

dr0x

Ah okay.

1987RX7guy

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Just wanted you to know. BUt I am cautious now since i have seen a crash. My best friend tried to out corner me and lost it that was not something I want to happen to me or my FC. his car is back on the road and he was not hurt so that is good but I thought I was going to loose my best friend.