Advantages FC's have against compeditors in drifting?
04-22-06, 09:19 PM
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well with me I just replaced the suspension with the racing beat kit and got kyb agxs and I didn't replace any bushings. I can make my car go sideways and nothing is more fun that just doing that to me.
it feels natural when to cut the wheel back and how I press the gas, I use to drive a jetta glx and that was fun and faster than my rx7 but it doesn't stand close to how much better of a car my rx7 is
also boostmaniac We need to get you a case of beer for that one, you are the man!
it feels natural when to cut the wheel back and how I press the gas, I use to drive a jetta glx and that was fun and faster than my rx7 but it doesn't stand close to how much better of a car my rx7 is
also boostmaniac We need to get you a case of beer for that one, you are the man!
04-22-06, 11:26 PM
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great post boostmaniac! , but i have 2 curiosity questions for you:
1. any idea why leaf springs would effect transitioning?
2. i'm not sure i understand what you mean about smooth transitions, and how they relate to suspension preload. i thought preload was just a static thing you put into your springs to effect the static spring force to match your damper's characteristics?
1. any idea why leaf springs would effect transitioning?
2. i'm not sure i understand what you mean about smooth transitions, and how they relate to suspension preload. i thought preload was just a static thing you put into your springs to effect the static spring force to match your damper's characteristics?
04-23-06, 01:15 AM
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Also, Boostmaniac, just curious, what is your experience in drifting and what do you drive (an FC I'm guessing)? It looks like you're fairly new to the forums, so welcome! It seems you've made a good first impression 
04-23-06, 03:33 AM
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Ok as most of you guys know I used to drift(before it was cool) and I had a hard time controlling a lift off, I think thats what most people call it im not sure. Where you are traveling at a high rate of speed, get off the throttle turn and then into the corner and get back on the throttle(i think thats right been a while) and it required a lil more power that I know for sure.
I found myself either loosing a lot of speed at the exit, regaining grip, or trying to go to hard and slide off the track. I am pretty sure it was my techniuqe, but seeing that we are on the topic I thought I would just ask.
And yet this brings up another question what happened to the front brake light for judging.
I found myself either loosing a lot of speed at the exit, regaining grip, or trying to go to hard and slide off the track. I am pretty sure it was my techniuqe, but seeing that we are on the topic I thought I would just ask.
And yet this brings up another question what happened to the front brake light for judging.
04-23-06, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Boostmaniac
Now from personal experience, I have found that the FC and the FD are extrremely forgiving when traction is lost. The low polar moment helps let the driver contol the car with gas and brake input to bring the car back under control. If you REALLY screw up and bring it back so hard that it kicks out the other side you still have a chance to bring it back under control. Not so much with those reverse monoleaf suspension that Corvettes use for example. Once the back end kicks out twice it is usually over. (That or I just can't handle the domestic muscle properly.) But to me they are much harder to control with gas and brake adjustments. The point I am trying to make here is that the FC requires a little ***** to put out sideways and keep her there. It takes practice to keep a car sideways that is designed to pull straight again. Also, the low polar moment insures that the transitions from traction to drift are butter smooth, which helps with suspension pre-load and damping (basically it keeps the car from really swaying and taxing the suspension when it goes from traction to no traction, where as in a 240 the car starts to lean heavily then kicks out, unloading the suspension momentarily and causing unusual handling characteristics.) That car has a nice tendency to kick out and stay out which is why it is such a nice beginner car. The FC is harder to kick out in stock trim, but add power and a decent suspension/tire setup and BOOM, instant drift machine. At higher speeds and higher power levels the 240 will become unpredictable (unless flawlessly tuned correctly).Where as the FC will be much easier to control and keep sideways. It also allows for easier transitions from side to side because the polar moment is so low. When the car comes back to square and starts to kick out the other way, just apply some gas and it will continue it's trip very smoothly. This allows for easy control of drifts with the right foot
. Using the brakes to load the front suspension (allowing weight to come off of the back) is also another cool trick, but this will kill your speed, this killing your awe inspiring high speed drift. This is also dangerous because it heats up the front tires. If you use this enough, you will start to have brake induced understeer on your hands, and trust me, this is no p[lace you want to be. The last trick is using the E-brake. Alot of people assume that this means turn sharply and yank the E-brake. Eventhough this caveman like approach does work, it can also be extremely unsafe. If you yank the E-brake and don't release it, you are going to create a very uncontrollable drift (compared to the other methods outlined above.) The other method involves pulling the Ebrake BEFORE you yank the steering wheel. This removes all traction from the rear wheel in a straight line (and produces large amounts of glorious smoke). Start to steer into the corner and the back end will come around. Apply copious amounts of gas, release the E-brake, let out on the clutch and you will find yourself in a glorious drift. This method is extremely effective in underpowered cars that have trouble breaking traction with throttle alone. (most FC's.... gotta hate the no torque thing.) The fact that these are slightly more involved than the usual press the gas and go is what makes it a little harder to drift the FC initially. You just gotta get the feel of the car. But once you do..... you are golden.zimmerly,
i didnt think you had an rx7.. ???
04-23-06, 10:26 PM
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Get a rear-steer delete kit, that'll really screw things up I heard. Especially since if you let off, you'll regain traction almost immediately in my experience which made me kinda disoriented the first three times it happened. Haha, almost hit a curb.
04-23-06, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by QuackDamnYou
Get a rear-steer delete kit, that'll really screw things up I heard. Especially since if you let off, you'll regain traction almost immediately in my experience which made me kinda disoriented the first three times it happened. Haha, almost hit a curb.
05-11-06, 06:45 PM
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easiest way to slide is using the tires from the guy who sold you the fc 
lol, anyways failed my state inspections with it, wasn't till I actually checked that I found out that the insides of the rear tires were completly bare lol, slipped crazily as hell though without even wanting to. I have Michelin HydroEdge tires now though lol, cept I almost slipped again like 3 days after I got them, was trying to make it pass a yellow light at a T intersection, luckily there was no cars near by.
Anyhow, thanks for the vid, never saw it before, though the concept's easy enough to figure out for anything who's taken elementary physics. Apparently the search for the keywords power loss took me here.
lol, anyways failed my state inspections with it, wasn't till I actually checked that I found out that the insides of the rear tires were completly bare lol, slipped crazily as hell though without even wanting to. I have Michelin HydroEdge tires now though lol, cept I almost slipped again like 3 days after I got them, was trying to make it pass a yellow light at a T intersection, luckily there was no cars near by.Anyhow, thanks for the vid, never saw it before, though the concept's easy enough to figure out for anything who's taken elementary physics. Apparently the search for the keywords power loss took me here.
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05-11-06, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fcdrifter13
Ok as most of you guys know I used to drift(before it was cool) and I had a hard time controlling a lift off, I think thats what most people call it im not sure. Where you are traveling at a high rate of speed, get off the throttle turn and then into the corner and get back on the throttle(i think thats right been a while) and it required a lil more power that I know for sure.
I found myself either loosing a lot of speed at the exit, regaining grip, or trying to go to hard and slide off the track. I am pretty sure it was my techniuqe, but seeing that we are on the topic I thought I would just ask.
And yet this brings up another question what happened to the front brake light for judging.
I found myself either loosing a lot of speed at the exit, regaining grip, or trying to go to hard and slide off the track. I am pretty sure it was my techniuqe, but seeing that we are on the topic I thought I would just ask.
And yet this brings up another question what happened to the front brake light for judging.
05-11-06, 08:42 PM
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boostmaniac, you reminded me why i want to lean how to drift
im still getting a feel for the handling of the car, but once i do, my friend (who can drift his FWD jetta with 110 horsepower) is going to teach me
im still getting a feel for the handling of the car, but once i do, my friend (who can drift his FWD jetta with 110 horsepower) is going to teach me
05-11-06, 09:25 PM
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[QUOTE=sintri]easiest way to slide is using the tires from the guy who sold you the fc lolQUOTE]
I can relate to that one haha. the last pair of rims i got had some decent firestones on them, butthey had been used for donuts quite a bit haha.
as for drifting an FC, i have the hardest time making my back end slip out. (side note: i dont have an e-brake, and my most bajor upgrade to performance if you can call it an upgrade is an aluminum hood. once its out i dont have alot of trouble controling it, until i try to whip it out too far and loose my steering angle and spin. the thing i like most about drifting an FC though, is that it's still very affordable. i have 2 NA. i 90 gxl and a 88 gxl and all together it cost me $1500 for both cars. haha. you cant buy a running 240 for that much round my way. =)
lolQUOTE]I can relate to that one haha. the last pair of rims i got had some decent firestones on them, butthey had been used for donuts quite a bit haha.
as for drifting an FC, i have the hardest time making my back end slip out. (side note: i dont have an e-brake, and my most bajor upgrade to performance if you can call it an upgrade is an aluminum hood. once its out i dont have alot of trouble controling it, until i try to whip it out too far and loose my steering angle and spin. the thing i like most about drifting an FC though, is that it's still very affordable. i have 2 NA. i 90 gxl and a 88 gxl and all together it cost me $1500 for both cars. haha. you cant buy a running 240 for that much round my way. =)
05-11-06, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fcdrifter13
Well seeing how this is back for some reason. Anone got an answer to my question.
Get wider, stickier front tires
Widen front track
Soften front sway bar
Lower damping in front shocks
Run softer springs up front
-Ted
05-11-06, 10:05 PM
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I was also thinking that and adjusted my setup but still no help, I must just suck. About the only thing I didnt change was tires, because I only had a track set and a street set at the time.
05-12-06, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RenofHeavens
Doubly noted. I don't drift but my car has the rear-toe eliminators and she slides a little too easy.
But I'm actually glad
The car sticks like CRAZY, it's a blast to carve up the canyons... even with the (slightly) higher power levels, she just wants to stick even with full throttle. I love these cars!I'd like to drift it, but I'll need a BIG open area to practice, the limits on this car are too far above my current driving skill lol
05-12-06, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sintri
You live in Utah, it's one giant open area :P lol, harder to find it around here, way too many people, cars, cops..
Ok, let me clarify. A giant open PAVED area. Our cops are pretty bored too, so that makes it extra difficult as they're always looking for excuses...
05-12-06, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fcdrifter13
I was also thinking that and adjusted my setup but still no help, I must just suck. About the only thing I didnt change was tires, because I only had a track set and a street set at the time.
05-12-06, 01:56 PM
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I have to agree that the FC is crazy easy to drift. I'm not really a fan of drifting as a sport, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun, and I taught myself to drift my crappy piggish underpowered nissan pickup truck about a year ago. That car had a high polar moment, nearly all of the weight up front, and alot of other things that make it safe to drive, but nto neccessarily fun.
Drifting the pickup went something like this:
1. turn really hard into the turn and mash the brakes
2. pop the clutch to keep the car from snapping straight again
3. countersteer as fast as you possibly can to keep the car from continuing to toe out
4. straighten the wheel again to keep it from snapping back into place.
5. let off the gas
All of this hassle arised form two reasons; the car's forward weight bias made it want to leave a drift, and it had a high polar moment.
I never originally tried to intended to drift the fc at all, but started doign it when I was feelign out the car shortly after putchase. The fc is so much easier to drift than the pickup, you wouldn't beleive. Although it is a little harder to step out the tail, the car is very neutral and easy to control once you actually exceed the limits.
--Alex
Drifting the pickup went something like this:
1. turn really hard into the turn and mash the brakes
2. pop the clutch to keep the car from snapping straight again
3. countersteer as fast as you possibly can to keep the car from continuing to toe out
4. straighten the wheel again to keep it from snapping back into place.
5. let off the gas
All of this hassle arised form two reasons; the car's forward weight bias made it want to leave a drift, and it had a high polar moment.
I never originally tried to intended to drift the fc at all, but started doign it when I was feelign out the car shortly after putchase. The fc is so much easier to drift than the pickup, you wouldn't beleive. Although it is a little harder to step out the tail, the car is very neutral and easy to control once you actually exceed the limits.
--Alex
05-22-06, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 13b4me
Notice that tires were the first thing on his list... That's the key man... I was running some old RE92's on my car and had severe understeer issues... I replaced them with some stickier tires and the understeer was gone...
I was broke as hell back in the day. If I ever start again I will do things differently. My tires were total **** Perelli P900s or something like that.
