blue88gxl N/A

Any one here with a normally aspirated race an Acura Integra GS-R and win?
I am racing one on friday what are my chances with my modifications?

RX-7 GT

well, my dad has a 2k gsr. and they go around 15.1 in the 1/4 stock. pretty good. i dont know what you would do with your mods. but if you were stock it would beat you. im guessing it will still beat you since your not fully modified.

i even got 16 flat in my stock civic ex cpe 5spd. hehe. dont expect to win by much if you do at all

dre_2ooo

ahh.... try a race from 70-?? (3rd gear powerband and up). You might win then... But a 0-?? and he'll probably win.

It'll probably be driver skill in the end though... so work on your shifting/launching..

Boosting_FC

My friends have GS-R's. With your current mods (and assuming the GS-R is stock), you will lose regardless of speed and gear starts. The GS-R is more powerful and lighter. Unless the GS-R driver is really bad at shifting...

Jay

relvinnian

I think you got it *** backwards. From a stop the FC will have a much better chance because it has RWD and better TQ to wieght ratio. The RWD will squat and have a much easier time launching w/out wheelspin. On the other hand, the integra will have you hands down at the top of it's gears.

I raced my roomate's modded N/A 2x and won both times. He launched alot better than I could, but I pulled him slowly at the end of each gear (6-8k secondary fuel inj). The race was fairly close but by a QM I was ahead each time by about .5-1 car. We kept racing up to 120 (?) and I stayed ahead there too. A N/A RX-7 looses alot of JUICE in 5th gear! Yeah, I'm going to have to call BS on this one. I know for a fact that a stock GS-R in any form will not run a 15.1, the best I've seen is a 15.5, and these are not torquey cars! They are much different to launch! 16 flat in a civic EX?? HAHA, another BS flag, that SOHC VTEC engine is pathetic, and does 0-60 in like 8.4! I've murdered modded EXs in my stock GS-R PUHH LEEASE! BTW, what's the point of mentioning your civic when we are talking about GS-Rs? Are somehow trying to prove that Honda's are fast? They're not, but a few are "peppy".

I think you still have a chance at winning here. If you car is running well, and he drives as bad as most ricers do, you'll have a shot. The race between my roomate and I was very close, and I consider us both to be good drivers.

-Brian

t_mak@mail.plymouth.edu

Stock 86-91 NA RX-7s will only do 16-17 stock. But then driving a VTEC car can be tricky because of its lack of torque,well some with the rotary, but not as bad. You will beat him from 0-40, but once his motor is wind out, you are done

KNONFS

iTrader: (14)

relvinnian is right!

Is the GSr moded, if its stock you *MIGHT* have a chance *IF* he's not a god driver. Anyways *ALWAYS* race him from a 0-XXX, expect him to start pulling on you around 3rd gear. GSR have a *STRONG* 3rd gear pull, even better than our NA FC.....I only wish our DAMN NA FC be close to 2600 LBS instead of my 2880lbs without driver!!!!!!!!

Civic EX, BBBWWWWWUHAAHHAAAHAAHHAA.....I kill them even if they have the usual I/H/E and cam!

KNONFS

iTrader: (14)

Holy ****, I just realized you don't have a header.....sorry man *I feel your pain*

RX-7 GT

man dont be such an ***. sorry i was thinking about type r specs. besides 15.5 is still faster than a stock n/a.

no its not bs that my civic ran 16 in the 1/4. if it makes you feel better i had a custom cai. i just happen to be a pretty decent driver. the civic is rated 16.4 stock how is that hard to believe? i wish i would have kept my timeslips but that was about 3yrs ago.

go raise hell somewhere else

RX-7 GT

im not trying to say hondas are fast. shut up...you come in the thread like you know you everything. the fastest "you have seen" was 15.1. key word "you have seen". it all depends on the driver.

i was suprised myself by the 16flat. my friend that drove it got that time and he has been racing rotaries, hondas whatever forever. i think the best i got was like 16.1

RX-7 GT

one more thing (sorry for the multiple posts). i never came into this thread bitchin and saying na's are slow whatever. i just gave my opinion.

cool down.

relvinnian

I'm cool =). N/As are slow generally =). Evidence that my friend's modded N/A got beat by my stock GS-R, which I do not consider fast at all. I have alot of experience with both cars under many different conditions. When I say "I've seen" that means either personally, video taped, or on the internet, with proof to back up the claim. With the amount of timeslips I've seen, I'd say I know what I'm talking about. Yes it is hard to believe. You should not be able to pull .4 off the magazine recorded BEST time, w/ just a CAI. Of course all tracks are not created equal.

I didn't mean to be such a dick, but alot of false numbers float around when regarding Honda's. If you got 16 flat, my apologies, that's some sweet driving, and a strong running EX! Just giving you my experience...

-Brian

fuzzi

Was it one of those down hill quarter mile tracks that you got a 16 flat with your civic on ?? hehe because on a flat one i doubt it... hehehe... My sis has got the same civic you mentioned... and my gtec pro says it cant do a 16 flat.......

RX-7 GT

man i was angry in those posts ...sorry. i just hate when people dont believe me. yea there is a lot of false crap from those honda kids.

this was like almost 3 yrs ago when i only owned my civic no 7. to tell you the truth i have a gtech and it said my time was like 15.9-16.1's consistently ( i know there not that accurate, just in the ballpark).

what i did was take out all my ****, spare tire, spare tire cover which is like. my glove box was broke so i took it out, and everything else was intact. air pressure lowered a bit. and a custom cai out of dryer hose. from the tb down sticking out in the front grilled with no filter. it actually worked good. plus i barely had any gas at all, almost ran out. and some octane booster.

i was in the slow lane like 16 second cars, even some 15 second ones. me and my friend took turns both experienced in drag racing. we got up to the finals agains a non turbo awd eclipse, the ones with the flip up lights i think. we lost against him once, we were like dead even down the track and my friend mis shifted in third, and the eclipse edged him.

we thought we lost totally, and left the track early. i found out later that we had one more chance against him...**** i could have one 1st

enough of this **** honda talk


by the way it was woodburn dragstrip in woodburn, oregon. flat as a young girls chest.

blue88gxl N/A

Well here are the results I raced my friend in the acura gs-r from a roll of about 10 mph. at first I stayed with him but second and third gear he really pulled on me.. I lost by about 2 and a half to three car lengths..
That's o.k. he payed twice as much for his car and I will make sure I get him back when I get a turbo II

CanadianRX7

"man dont be such an ***. sorry i was thinking about type r specs. besides 15.5 is still faster than a stock n/a. "



this page says the stock n/a does quater mile in 15.5-15.3
http://home.rmci.net/panther/rx7specs.htm

RX-7 GT

uh...i think that page is a little off on the n/a specs. seems a little low to me.

Ryde _Or_Die

Did you have all your current mods when you raced him? I would hope with those mods you could beat him unless he has alot of mods.

fc3s.org

This is not exactly an N/A victory on a Honduh, but it was my revenge on a turbo civic. See the only car I ever lost to in the Project 86 when it was N/A was a turbo civic hatchback. Since it became a TII I haven't lost to any other cars other than friends in their more modified FC/FD's. Now with my new motor and new turbo, we will see but in general... Here is a link to a whole writeup on the story of the turbo civic. I think it is too large to copy paste here.

www.fc3s.org/ --> Trips --> Phoenix, AZ

relvinnian

N/A's are slow, unless they are VERY well modded. That page that was linked above, is completely wrong, not just on QM, but on some of the weights, MPHs, and 0-60s. My roomate and I looked at that last night and he was like riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, maybe with drag slicks, a computer perfect launch, and some luck from God!

Here is his mod list: '86 Base w/ 67k miles. Est. wieght 2570.
*ACT Street/Strip clutch/pp
*9.5# alluminum flywheel
*Bonez intake
*Bonez race pipe (dp, mp replacement w/presilencer)
*Apexi N1 catback
*Airpump activated six ports
*Tokico springs + HP

Integra mods: '94 GS-R w/96k miles.
*AEM CAI, dyno proven 50hp
*Clear marker lenses, 20 hp
*DOHC "VTEC" badge, 15 hp

I guess ya just can't compete w/ the "VTEC" His next mods are a header, cold air box, ignition, later model intake mani. He's also lookin to buy a T2 as a project here soon.

-Brian

Ryde _Or_Die

50hp from an intake??? I have never even heard anyone claim that. Hey, where are they dyno sheets for it? I would love to see those.

RX-7 GT

i actually had an aem on the civic a few months after the race. it sucks donkey. i couldnt even tell the difference between that and the short ram set up. i sold it to some guy for $50. after that i just stopped doing anything to my civic.

fuzzi

N/A's are slow ? i dont know about that dude... with a couple adjustments you can get good power.... Mine is at least as fast as a stock turbo if not faster... all it has is a mild port, headers and some good exhaust....!!

relvinnian

You guys seem a little slow =). The CAI will give about 2 whp on the dyno. As the speed of the car increases I'm sure it could get as much as 5 whp. Listing my mods was a joke which is why I put 20hp for the clear lenses, and 15 for the vtec badge? My sig and my posts have both explained that my car is stock, and if a CAI added 50 hp I think I'd consider it a bit modded =). You get it now?

fuzzi: Determining what's fast and what's not is subjective. Riceboys probably consider their cars fast, but we certainly wouldn't (I'm talking about accords and other slow rice burners). I consider my GS-R to be a "peppy" daily driver, my lightly modded T2 is "quick" in my eyes, while a lightly modded FD would be considered "pretty fast".... anything under 12.0 QM is "fast" to me. This is just how I put things into perspective, so I agree with your post in that respect. A stock N/A is "slow" to me while a modded one would be considered "peppy" to "quick" to me.

PS: There will be a rematch between my roomate and I, as we did the ATF trick on his car tonight. When we took the plugs out they were pretty foul =). His car practically requires a gas mask when running, to keep from fainting, so his fuel richness is the obvious explanation. His EGT guage also shows him running a bit on the cool side, and even when he spits flames he's still off the efficient full throttle exhaust temp. He's looking to turbo his car which would also include an AFC (which I think he would highly benefit from). I'll post the results when we race.

Peace,
Brian