91 Turbo Vert, Blown motor. Should I part out or sell it as is??
04-25-10, 11:41 PM
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91 Turbo Vert, Blown motor. Should I part out or sell it as is??
91 Turbo conversion on Vert. Everythig, driverdrain, electoronics, tranny. Done the way it should be done. My front rotor is no longer functioning. Fixing it is no longer an option for me. SOOO
Should i try and sell it as it is, or should i just part it out?
Given the problems with trying to sell cars like ours, like people offering really lowballs or trades (see my other post) I think that just selling it part by part might be slightly less painfull.
Fire off those oppinions!
Should i try and sell it as it is, or should i just part it out?
Given the problems with trying to sell cars like ours, like people offering really lowballs or trades (see my other post) I think that just selling it part by part might be slightly less painfull.
Fire off those oppinions!
04-26-10, 01:39 AM
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Bastardized RX7 Pwner.
91 Turbo conversion on Vert. Everythig, driverdrain, electoronics, tranny. Done the way it should be done. My front rotor is no longer functioning. Fixing it is no longer an option for me. SOOO
Should i try and sell it as it is, or should i just part it out?
Given the problems with trying to sell cars like ours, like people offering really lowballs or trades (see my other post) I think that just selling it part by part might be slightly less painfull.
Fire off those oppinions!
Should i try and sell it as it is, or should i just part it out?
Given the problems with trying to sell cars like ours, like people offering really lowballs or trades (see my other post) I think that just selling it part by part might be slightly less painfull.
Fire off those oppinions!
If you have 15K into the car over a long period of time, it may be best to part it.
If you just bought the car for 5K or so, sell it as is for 3K.
How much is it worth to you as a RUNNING car?
04-26-10, 01:32 PM
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Dude...I'll totally give you $50 for your car!
J/K and seriously though. I feel your pain. I've also got a turbo vert with blown front rotor. My income is nothing like it used to be two years ago, hell less than a year ago even. So my car has sat since last summer waiting for me to rebuild the engine. I've thought about selling or parting out and coming back to a fun car once the economy isn't so horrible. But I have so much invested in my car (not just money) that I don't want to let it go. Especially knowing that soon as I am able I'll come back to wanting another turbo vert....cause top-down boost on a sunny day is my anti-depressant.
I'd hate to see you get rid of something you have time and money invested in. With that said what about getting the money together to rebuild the engine and then sell the car? Do the rebuild yourself and document it so prospective buyers know and can see it's not a crap rebuild.
I've been fortunate enough to be able to sit on my car and wait. With there being no good jobs out there I went back to school for a second degree. I'm taking this summer off from classes to work a 2nd job...partially to fund my rebuild.
J/K and seriously though. I feel your pain. I've also got a turbo vert with blown front rotor. My income is nothing like it used to be two years ago, hell less than a year ago even. So my car has sat since last summer waiting for me to rebuild the engine. I've thought about selling or parting out and coming back to a fun car once the economy isn't so horrible. But I have so much invested in my car (not just money) that I don't want to let it go. Especially knowing that soon as I am able I'll come back to wanting another turbo vert....cause top-down boost on a sunny day is my anti-depressant.
I'd hate to see you get rid of something you have time and money invested in. With that said what about getting the money together to rebuild the engine and then sell the car? Do the rebuild yourself and document it so prospective buyers know and can see it's not a crap rebuild.
I've been fortunate enough to be able to sit on my car and wait. With there being no good jobs out there I went back to school for a second degree. I'm taking this summer off from classes to work a 2nd job...partially to fund my rebuild.
04-26-10, 01:44 PM
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sell as is, dont part out a vert. i know this guy that parts out rx7s, its hard going to his house and just seeing them stacked on top of each other. you make money yes but by killing an already rare car
just my 2 cents, do what you want its your car
just my 2 cents, do what you want its your car
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04-27-10, 12:30 AM
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Well, this weekend I bought bought a replacement for it thus the post. The one i got is almost identical. Paint is worse, undergarage is better. Same color thats pretty much why i got it. Less then atkins rebuild ( they are about 30 miles south of me) + the cost of having some one put it in and out.
As far as felix's comment. I know its my car, I just want oppinions.
I hate to take a car like this off the road but i will , hopefully, get rid of the chassy for somone to rebuild.
I've had the car about 4 years. I paid 6k ish for it. I have virtually no money in it. It came with a RB turboback and thats about the only thing i woulda bought for it.
I'm going to swap the exhasut and the wheels. IF i sell as is it'l have the S5 Turbo wheels and a mix of RB and HKS exhaust parts.
I'm leaning really hard twords the part out. I love the idea of someone taking it home and fixing it but i doubt i would get much for it. I'm selling an N/A vert and its a RPITA at least with the part out i can get some money + some of the other stuff for the other car.
Yes, I have three convertibles right now.
As far as felix's comment. I know its my car, I just want oppinions.
I hate to take a car like this off the road but i will , hopefully, get rid of the chassy for somone to rebuild.
I've had the car about 4 years. I paid 6k ish for it. I have virtually no money in it. It came with a RB turboback and thats about the only thing i woulda bought for it.
I'm going to swap the exhasut and the wheels. IF i sell as is it'l have the S5 Turbo wheels and a mix of RB and HKS exhaust parts.
I'm leaning really hard twords the part out. I love the idea of someone taking it home and fixing it but i doubt i would get much for it. I'm selling an N/A vert and its a RPITA at least with the part out i can get some money + some of the other stuff for the other car.
Yes, I have three convertibles right now.
04-27-10, 10:02 AM
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Have you thought about just getting a JSpec engine from a reputable source and dropping it in? R&R really isn't difficult, just a bit tedious. Just have the seller do a bench compression test before buying.
Rent a cherry picker (engine hoist), sit the engine on the floor next to the JSpec, swap out the JSpec bolt ons with the ASpec, replace a few strategic gaskets and what ever odds and ends for maintenance since everything is so easy to get to at that point.
Then go rent that cherry picker and drop it back in. Take to Adkins for any tuning tweaks, including correcting what might have popped your front rotor, and you're good to go.
I've essentially done that with my S4 Turbo Vert (200+whp) 3 years ago and my S5 TurboVert (300+ whp) a year ago with no issues at all since. Maybe I've been lucky that they both were good engines, but I like to think the physical checking out by expert eyes before purchase is what got me that luck.
Parting can be a real PITA not to mention an eyesore in the process. The constant "negotiations", labor for removal, hassle for boxing and shipping, and the occasional post sale "debates". In the alternative, an engine for perhaps $1200 (less core value of the old engine block), some simple labor on your part, and maybe a few hundred $ for Adkins tweaks and the value of what you end up with seems a better play all things considered
Rent a cherry picker (engine hoist), sit the engine on the floor next to the JSpec, swap out the JSpec bolt ons with the ASpec, replace a few strategic gaskets and what ever odds and ends for maintenance since everything is so easy to get to at that point.
Then go rent that cherry picker and drop it back in. Take to Adkins for any tuning tweaks, including correcting what might have popped your front rotor, and you're good to go.
I've essentially done that with my S4 Turbo Vert (200+whp) 3 years ago and my S5 TurboVert (300+ whp) a year ago with no issues at all since. Maybe I've been lucky that they both were good engines, but I like to think the physical checking out by expert eyes before purchase is what got me that luck.
Parting can be a real PITA not to mention an eyesore in the process. The constant "negotiations", labor for removal, hassle for boxing and shipping, and the occasional post sale "debates". In the alternative, an engine for perhaps $1200 (less core value of the old engine block), some simple labor on your part, and maybe a few hundred $ for Adkins tweaks and the value of what you end up with seems a better play all things considered
04-27-10, 05:31 PM
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Have you thought about just getting a JSpec engine from a reputable source and dropping it in? R&R really isn't difficult, just a bit tedious. Just have the seller do a bench compression test before buying.
Rent a cherry picker (engine hoist), sit the engine on the floor next to the JSpec, swap out the JSpec bolt ons with the ASpec, replace a few strategic gaskets and what ever odds and ends for maintenance since everything is so easy to get to at that point.
Then go rent that cherry picker and drop it back in. Take to Adkins for any tuning tweaks, including correcting what might have popped your front rotor, and you're good to go.
I've essentially done that with my S4 Turbo Vert (200+whp) 3 years ago and my S5 TurboVert (300+ whp) a year ago with no issues at all since. Maybe I've been lucky that they both were good engines, but I like to think the physical checking out by expert eyes before purchase is what got me that luck.
Parting can be a real PITA not to mention an eyesore in the process. The constant "negotiations", labor for removal, hassle for boxing and shipping, and the occasional post sale "debates". In the alternative, an engine for perhaps $1200 (less core value of the old engine block), some simple labor on your part, and maybe a few hundred $ for Adkins tweaks and the value of what you end up with seems a better play all things considered
Rent a cherry picker (engine hoist), sit the engine on the floor next to the JSpec, swap out the JSpec bolt ons with the ASpec, replace a few strategic gaskets and what ever odds and ends for maintenance since everything is so easy to get to at that point.
Then go rent that cherry picker and drop it back in. Take to Adkins for any tuning tweaks, including correcting what might have popped your front rotor, and you're good to go.
I've essentially done that with my S4 Turbo Vert (200+whp) 3 years ago and my S5 TurboVert (300+ whp) a year ago with no issues at all since. Maybe I've been lucky that they both were good engines, but I like to think the physical checking out by expert eyes before purchase is what got me that luck.
Parting can be a real PITA not to mention an eyesore in the process. The constant "negotiations", labor for removal, hassle for boxing and shipping, and the occasional post sale "debates". In the alternative, an engine for perhaps $1200 (less core value of the old engine block), some simple labor on your part, and maybe a few hundred $ for Adkins tweaks and the value of what you end up with seems a better play all things considered
Kinda what I was getting at with my post. With some work on your part and a little bit of an investment you could keep the car on the road for either yourself of a prospective buyer. Chances are you'd get that investment back in the form of higher asking price if you were to sell.
Though seeing how you've already got a replacement I'm doubting you are interested in putting more work into the car in question.
04-28-10, 01:32 AM
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Jeff, the whole reason i didn't want to do the work right now is that a: I've never done it and I know I will run into problems. and 2: If I did run into said problems i would probably lose it. just goe apeshit. I'm just coming out of a really bad time right now and I dont have the patience to handle things that are likely to come up. At least this way I can take my time and get advice when i do pull the engine.
That being said I'm parting it out.
I'm keeping the "long" block for now. Plus anything else i might need for the replacement.
I'll probably make up a list this weekend.
That being said I'm parting it out.
I'm keeping the "long" block for now. Plus anything else i might need for the replacement.
I'll probably make up a list this weekend.
04-28-10, 04:13 AM
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Jeff, the whole reason i didn't want to do the work right now is that a: I've never done it and I know I will run into problems. and 2: If I did run into said problems i would probably lose it. just goe apeshit. I'm just coming out of a really bad time right now and I dont have the patience to handle things that are likely to come up. At least this way I can take my time and get advice when i do pull the engine.
That being said I'm parting it out.
I'm keeping the "long" block for now. Plus anything else i might need for the replacement.
I'll probably make up a list this weekend.
That being said I'm parting it out.
I'm keeping the "long" block for now. Plus anything else i might need for the replacement.
I'll probably make up a list this weekend.
What I found incredibly rewarding is when I was forced to do all the work myself. I live in a small-minded town with no quality rotary techs. I have a stealership, but my JDM swap simply confuses them because it's outside of what the US Mazda tech school taught them. So I started learning, buying tools, asking advice (with lots of noob questions) and before I knew it. I was doing it.
Yes I had problems. There were user errors that looked better in my mind than played out in real life. It's all part of the learning curve.
I've never done a rebuild before, but I've talked to friends who've done it, I've watched the Atkins rebuild DVD, I've read some of the threads on inspecting the parts on teardown to identify what went wrong so I don't repeat the same mistake twice. I feel confident that I can put my engine back together and have it run solid for me.
My biggest concerns are two....
1) making sure I identify what caused the front rotor to loose compression
2)correctly inspecting housings, bearings, etc and comparing them to specs so that I'm not putting bad parts back into my engine.
What I have found on these forums is that as long as you are putting in the work and trying to learn that the gurus are very helpful. I"m confident that with my work and their advice I'll come out with a quality rebuild.
I think you would do just fine between doing work yourself and getting advice here. Just take lots of pics and post them with questions. You might run into problems. Your front housing might be tore up, you might have shot part of an apex seal thru your turbo. But a prospective buyer is already assuming the worst when they buy a dead engine. You could come out way ahead by cracking the keg open and seeing what damage has been done. You might find that your blown front rotor is manageable?
My advice is to yank the engine out and open it up. See what you have going on. Inspect the parts. After you've done that you have a better idea where you stand. You know better what your options are.
