allstyle

believe it or not......I took out a 93+ 300 zx on the what?....FREEWAY!!! WOOO HOOO! I'm pretty sure those cars are fast at the top end....but I was 3 car lengths ahead of the guy! RX7's ARE THE ISSSH!

RX-7 GT

what are your mods? are your sure it was a tt?

XimbueX

There was

a.) something wrong w/ his car
b.) he wasn't racing you
c.) You're pushing 240+ HP

You sure it wasn't a non turbo? 300z twins have 300HP out of the box, that's over a 100 more hp than you, and even with your weight advantage you'd have to have a signifigant amount of mods to take one that wasn't broken.

RotaryMan88

Well, I don't know....
My buddy just bought a '91 TT 300zx, and I wasn't too impressed by it. Those things(at least his) weighs 4000+lbs....thats one heavy car! Once I complete my GTR transplant, I'm positive I'll be smoking him!! That's whats fun about converting from an NA to T2...the T2s normally weigh about 200+lbs more then the NAs do, and yes, I know that by adding the T2 motor I'll gain the weight of extra stuff(the turbo, IC, etc)..but I've also removed 200lbs..my car w/ me in it is about 2380lbs....base models rule

Xentrix

I'm not sure which years they changed but from 90-atleast 93 the z32tt had 300 flywheel hp somewhere in there they dropped to 280something.

ALL TT's have little slits below the bumper on both sides of the radiator opening.

that is really the only way to check if it is turbo. if it has a new front end then, you cant tell.

supergoat

I saw a magazine list the 93+ 300X TT at 7.x seconds 0-60. They listed all the models of it and the TT was definitly listed at 7.x seconds to 60. I was surprised at that. I think it was Car and Driver.

64MC

i think TT only comes with 2 seater and NA with 2+2. (correct me if i'm wrong)
2+2 has longer wheel base. so u should be able to tell from side.

they have different fuel tank with fuel lid on front of rear wheel for 2 seater and behind for 2+2.

by the way, i think the opening below the bumper on both sides are there for stock side mount intercoolers...

Scott 89t2

turbos have the little wing on the back, N/A doesn't. I bet is was N/A

Chance

That has to be a NA. Last time I checked, the tt's were around 5.5 in the 0-60. The two seaters came in tt and NA models. The 2+2 was only offered as an NA I believe. I'm pretty sure they don't weigh anymore than 3500 lbs. either. 300z's are really nice and fast cars.

RX-7 GT

a 300zx tt would of ripped you a new ******* on the freeway! 300hp and almost 300ft-lbs of torque. 0-60 is way faster than 7 seconds. try 5.6 and a 1/4 of 13.9-14.0. similiar to fd's in acceleration. wt. 3630lbs. top speed around 165mph.

non turbo: 0-60 6.6, 1/4 mile 15.3. wt. 3400. top speed around 150mph.

sorry buddy

there is no 2+2 tt's here only in japan. we only get n/t here for 2+2's. another way you can tell if its a tt is on the bottom of the front bumper there is some vents on each side for the intercoolers. and of course the tt sticker on the back.

my bro has a n/t 2+2 and we swapped in a jspec tt. it is fast as ****

brandon

Erik

actually...i believe that there were 2+2 Turbos (definately in japan)...but who knows...maybe here too

RX-7 GT

only tt coupes here. my bro is a z freak and he always gets pissed off when i keep asking him if there is.

2+2 tt's are in japan though.

penko

I'm sure it was a tt .I use to have a 92 300zx tt and its true they have 300hp but they are very heavy cars,0-60 in 5.6 in your dreams try 6.3 and this is with a very good launch and as far as n/a they have 220hp .Belive me if this had been an n/a you would kick the shiiii out of him.Now i have a t2 and i'd race any stock 300zx any time

RX-7 GT

were you with the guy or something? 5.6 no not in my dreams okay maybe 5.9 not 6.3...stop reading stupid car magazines. and go time it at the track.

also were not talking about launches were talking on the freeway. 6.3 is closer to n/a times then it is a tt.

you would race a stock 300zx anytime and get your **** beat.

relvinnian

You guys need to learn your **** before you talk. Just because a car has 300 flywheel hp doesn't mean it's fast. 300z TTs are heavy as **** and they have a significant amount of turbo lag. You'd be surprised at how weak a stock one really is. A 300Z WILL do 0-60 in 5.6, but you'll only see it happen once in a blue moon. 6.3 is definately more common. A stock Z will pull a best 14.1, but you generally won't see one faster than 14.3. These cars have very stiff rear suspension which meaning they don't "squat" when you launch them. Getting good 60' times in a Z is hard. On the highway they fair alot better, but I still believe a lightly modded T2 can take one. Were you joking? I've demolished a couple stock TT's and one of them was a guy I know personally. My T2 is has hardly any mods, but it boosts very high in 3rd and 4th gears so they are a piece of cake on the freeway. I'm not saying these cars are easy as hell (if not expensive) to make fast. A friend of mine just ran 12.55 on street tires and a 12.2 on slicks... he's running a few mods on the stock twins. AFC/AVC-R, DP, MP, stock catback, intake, and a few other cheap mods. In stock form they are just whales IMO...

-Brian

RX-7 GT

brian, i didnt mean to sound pissed in that post im stating facts.

you said a modded t2. thats not stock. if your telling me a stock t2 can beat a stock zx then we have problems.

im talking stock for stock here. like a stock t2 and a stock 300zx no boost increased or anything, just like they came from the factory to say. the z would beat a t2 on the freeway and from 0-60.

once your on the freeway going over 100 weight doesnt become a issue for instance skylines, supras etc.

people always think that raising the boost is not a mod or something. like 10psi or something. i think thats going to gain you some hp. thats what most people forget about.

trying to have a good argument here...its entertaining and fun for all of us

relvinnian

Stock for stock? Haha, I guess I just assumed he was slightly modded (i.e. intake, dp, mp, etc), because he'd have to be pretty retarded to think a stock T2 can take a 300Z. BTW, wieght is always a factor in acceleration, it's just alot bigger of a factor when you're talking about moving a fat whale from a dead dig. You're completely right, raising the boost is always a mod... I run just over 13psi in 4th gear, how could that not be considered modded =)? I'm sorry for assuming that he was slightly modded, I realize that there are morons out there

-Brian

RX-7 GT

well, i hate to break the news guys. but this just in. my bro took his 2+2 with tt swapped in it to woodburn dragstrip. in woodburn, oregon. the time slip is so faded im going to just type it down for now. i tried to scan it and it came up blank it was so bad.

he ran solo cause it was time trials.

dial: n/a
r/t: 1.062 (shitty first run)
60': 2.236
330: 5.969
1/8: 9.043
mph: 79.47 (thats for the 1/8th)
1000: 11.724
1/4: 13.974
mph: 99.78

now this is with one run, bad reaction time, an automatic, and a 2+2. if a t2 can beat that stock i will sell you my house

he only got one run in cause he had to have a helmet under 13 sec.

brandon

RX-7 GT

cool, i see now. yea 14psi does make a big difference here
brandon

jar

300zx is not 4000+ lbs u moron!!!

143hawaii

Yeah because then they'd be like the fatassd 3000gt's.

P.S. Wow, hey jar you own a TII and live in Hawaii? It's weird seeing other Hawaii ppl on the boards...usually mainlanders

Maxthe7man

Ok, to try and get this straight I dug up some old Car and Drivers and some old MotorTrends..
93 300z TT
0-60 5.0 sec
1/4 mile 13.7@102
top speed 153 mph
skid pad(.88)
curb wieght 3533 lbs
That sort of dashes the hopes of most TII's going up against a 300z, but in my search through the mags, I found a comparison test between the 300z and Dodge stealth..
While Motor trend praises the power of both cars, the make no secret that both cars need a major diet... As tested both cars were over 4000 lbs' with drivers and fuel, which places the 300z 500 lbs heavier than state by Car and Driver, which makes me wonder about the possibility of Nissan giving 'ringer' cars to the mags for the comparisons and not true production cars...
Motortrend squeezed the stealth to 5.9 0-60, and the 300z TT to 6.1 0-60 more than 1 second off of its time posted by Car and Driver. They state that neither car had traction problems because of their portly wieght...
Here is some 300z n/a stats from Road and Track/Car and Driver
0-60 7.1 sec
1/4 mile 15.5@90.5 mph
factory wieght 3200 lbs
actual weight as tested 3511 lbs...nissan needs to buy a new scale, whats 300lbs here or there?
Its put against some other cars here, a 944s n/a, stealth n/a, basically it got spanked the other cars were at least .5 seconds faster 0-60, and porsche made 14.7 in 1/4...
In (late)1992 road tests the new at that time FD is faster than the new 300z, in some test by a large margin, after going through all these mags, its hard to get an accurate picture of the cars performance and specs, so I went hunting through my mags to find one title that had 300z's and mazda TII's...
I found a couple of Motortrends with tests, and even the same author doing the story, so here are there numbers, from different tests, but same Magazine and I suspect maybe the same driver
93 300z TT 0-60 6.1 seconds
1/4 mile 14.5@94.0 mph
a far cry from Car and driver's road test...
90 Mazda Rx-7TII
0-60 6.3 seconds
1/4 mile 14.9@93.7mph
Really not that far apart, with some mods, I could see the TII keeping with a 300z no problem, however, driver skill comes in play, I would have to go out on limb here and say a decent TII driver could beat an awkward 300zTT stick stirrer...
Damn magazines are all over the place in their numbers...Guess you guys will just have to race one and find out for yourselves...Max

FEDREX

I don't think you're going out on a limb whatsoever.
I'd like a shot at one if I could find one - unless I see a bigass FMIC. Damn S2000's are always going the other way...

allstyle

Ok you guys. I can't beleive no one has faith in the Turbo II.
I know my cars very well inside out. This guy was in his TWIN TURBO 300zx ok. I saw the logo on the back before I passed him up. Ok...now when I said I was three car lengths ahead of him....I did not say I was still pulling.....we were stuck there. I did not gain....neither did he. I was going 147 mph when we slowed down. He pulled up next to me with his thumbs up like a good sport and turned off on the next exit. I am not sure if he was modded or not...he had a nice body kit...stickers...exhaust ect.
Tisk tisk. Haters abroad. What makes you think that a modded Turbo II can not....even close at all beat a 300zx Twin Turbo. Whatever people. He was beaten. By me. Now I will list my mods so you haters have an idea.
Dynoed 292 rwhp
89+ turbo motor
Japanese ball bearing modified hitachi(To4 front...stock rear)
3inch to Y pipe...then 2 1/2 back
MSD ignition 6a leading coil
HKS Racing plugs leading holes
Centerforce clutch
Greddy front mount with 2 1/4 piping
modded intake (second butterflies removed)
Blitz boost controler
jacobs electronics spark plug wires
Valvoline synthetic oil 5w30 ( I have an 88 year car so the OMP is not connected)
2 cycle premix
Stock flywheel
stock rear end
stock tranny
no stickers
stock suspension
APEXi SAFC
720's in the secondaries.

Again.....you do not have to believe me....but god as my witness...He sure witnessed me beating that 300 TTurbo.

DRHP

I believe you allstyle. Maybe you should've listed your mods when you first posted and there wouldn't have been many doubters. 292 rwhp is no slouch. We're talking 12 second 1/4 mile.