Rotary_Junkie

Ive read somewhere on here about this but not really of any help.

Battery fully charged.
Starter tested and works perfectly.
No flooding issues.
No fuses blown.

K. i turn the key and nothing. Not anti theft becuz the previous owner cut the blue connector off that goes to the sylanoid. no sylanoid either??

I added another ground from the battery to the body. no help. My main Ground is bolted to my trany....is that the best ground?

I beleive my problem is electrical becuz i tried pop starting it 8 times. no luck. it acts like it wants to run but no luck.

When this happened i was on my way home and hit a good bump in the road and my car started running like dog ****. i kept it running and made it home. next day wouldnt start and it sounded like the starter. change starters and started it twice but still ran horrible like fuel/ratio was fucked up never happened before. read my error codes and my intake air temp. sensor went out. changed that and ever since then it hasnt even tried to start. the night was rainy so could somthing of shorted out my ecu? any help will be appreciated. i tried to give my best detail to help yall understand better.

satch

iTrader: (1)

So you turn the key and the starter doesn't engage at all?

Rotary_Junkie

You are correct sir. i have traced my my wires in the engine bay. next will be from the key ingnition

satch

iTrader: (1)

Locate the Starter Cut Relay if equpped and if so it would be next to the Main Relay. The Starter Cut Relay has one plug with 4 wires to it. One of these wires is Black/White. The plug can be removed from the relay if need be. Take a long jumper wire and stab one end into the plug where the B/W resides and then take the other end of the jumper wire and touch it against the positive terminal of the battery and in doing so the starter ought to turn over. See if this occurs and get back to us with the results.

Rotary_Junkie

sorry still a newb at this after 5 years of owning my car. where is the starter cut relay located if i have it? Where is the main relay? thank you

Rotary_Junkie

i do know that the starter itself has a relay on it. i jumped it and nothing. if i ground out the lil tab on it and the jump it it works....???

also failed to mention i can hear a click noise every time i turn the key to crank and the noise is comming from my ecu under the passengers feet.

satch

iTrader: (1)

The Starter Cut Relay is located next to the Main Relay which both are fastened to the driver's side fender. Not sure what you mean by a relay at the starter itself for that doesn't make sense.

Rotary_Junkie

sorry i meant selanoid. is the relays up by the trailing coils? also did you read a part i left out. it makes a click noise from the ecu.

satch

iTrader: (1)

The solenoid that is part of the starter is the starter solenoid which has a small B/W wire running to it. The ECU is located underneath the carpeting on the passenger side of the car near the kick panel. You shouldn't be hearing a clicking sound from it at all. The Starter Cut Relay is near the trailing coil as well as the Main Relay. If the car has the factory alarm then it has the Starter Cut Relay. If not then it doesn't have this particular relay. The B/W wire at the Starter Cut Relay that I wanted you to connect to the battery runs down to the starter solenoid and tells the starter to turn over. See if you have the Starter Cut Relay or not to proceed in figuring what to do next.

EDIT: As I posted earlier the Starter Cut Relay only has one plug with 4 wires to it. The Main Relay has two plugs to it. Don't confuse the two.

Rotary_Junkie

thanks man ill be trying this in the morning and posting the results

satch

iTrader: (1)

If you don't have the Starter Cut Relay (one plug w/four wires) then near the Main Relay/trailing coil area (two plugs one w/4 wires second plug w/2 wires) there will be a Blue plug. This plug would feature the B/W wire that runs to the starter solenid and if provided voltage from the battery it should cause the engine to turn over.

Rotary_Junkie

blue plug is not there! i found three wires cut. green and idk the other two. cant find what it was cut from. also when i jump that relay does the key need to be turned as if i was pop starting it, not cranking it?

satch

iTrader: (1)

The Blue plug is either by itself or plugged into the Starter Cut Relay.

No key is necessary when manually applying voltage to the B/W wire in this plug because you are doing just that, manually applying power to it.

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Rotary_Junkie

ive already seen this in another thread. no help. dont have that

satch

iTrader: (1)

So you don't have the Starter Cut Relay either? If you look at the wire connected to the starter solenoid at the starter it should be B/W and if you follow the wire it will take you to the plug wherever it may be.

Rotary_Junkie

sorry for miss informing you. i know i dont have the blue connector for a fact. i read the other thread close to mine and i did not find that. i have not looked for the starter relay yet. to cold here in mo. and i dont know where my flash light is. ill let you know whats up tommorrow

Rotary_Junkie

Okay....no luck. found the relay jumped it and nothing but a small click. not from the starter. this sooooo annoying!

satch

iTrader: (1)

Which relay? How many plugs did the relay have? What were the wire colors?
Where did the clicking sound originate from?

Rotary_Junkie

it had one plug. pulled it out and found the big blank n white wire and jumped it. the sound is not comming from the starter. i cant find it. it sounds like its comming from the ecu but then again it sounds like its under the dash on the drivers side. very weird.

satch

iTrader: (1)

What are the wire colors in this plug and what color is the plug? When the wire was jumpered was the plug plugged into the relay or not. Please answer all the questions as it does no good to provide just some of the relevant information as it makes figuring out your problem that much harder, which isn't necessary.

Rotary_Junkie

black plug...lime green with red lines..balck n green with red lines....green...black n white

Rotary_Junkie

sorry the pics were taken with my phone

satch

iTrader: (1)

The clicking sound you hear is "likely" coming from a relay located next to the steering column that controls aspects of the fuel pump and is called the Circuit Opening Relay. The B/W wire I asked you to jumper to the battery runs down to the starter solenoid. On the way down to the starter solenoid the B/W meets up with a plug such that the B/W wire is then split into two B/W wires like a fork in the road. Of these two B/W wires one extends on to the starer solenoid while the other travels to the ECU where it then travels back to the interior under the steering wheel so it can provide a signal to the Circuit Opening Relay previously mentioned, which would explain the clicking sound you hear. So in retrospect, it appears the jumping of the B/W wire is making its way to the ECU and thus the relay by the steering wheel "but not" to the starter solenoid. What you need to do is locate the connector that splits the B/W wire into two B/W wires and check to see why the voltage is not making its way to the starter solenoid. When the B/W wire at the relay plug is jumpered both B/W wires, one going to ECU and the other going to the starter solenoid should both have power. When you find this connector that slpits the B/W wire check for voltage on both of these B/W wires with the B/W wire at the relay jumpered to the battery. The connector should not be hard to find as it lies between the plug you have in the pic and the starter solenoid. You can go down under the car and find the B/W wire conected to the Starter solenoid which is a spade connector and work your way upwards toward the relay plug in the pic to find this important connector or go from the relay plug in the pic to find this connector and follow the B/W wire downward to this connector which splits the B/W wire into two B/W wires.

satch

iTrader: (1)

And make sure the B/W wire at the starter solenoid that has the spade connector didn't pop off the starter solenoid when you hit the bump in the road as this would be the easiest fix of all if this were the cause of the problem.

I would therefore check this possibility first!