5.57 mpg... Wtf?
12-06-11, 08:18 PM
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Maybe I had the TPS wires connected incorrectly. There was no plug when I got the car. I assume the previous owner just connected all of the wires and taped them up. That's how I found it. On the TPS pigtail, there is the black/red? wire, the green/red?, and the reddish wire. The harness side is green, yellow, and red. What plugs into what?
12-06-11, 08:26 PM
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Maybe I had the TPS wires connected incorrectly. There was no plug when I got the car. I assume the previous owner just connected all of the wires and taped them up. That's how I found it. On the TPS pigtail, there is the black/red? wire, the green/red?, and the reddish wire. The harness side is green, yellow, and red. What plugs into what?
12-06-11, 09:38 PM
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Nope. A bad O2 sensor doesn't dump this much fuel.
Anyway, I cannot find this Blue/Green wire. It is blue with a green stripe? I've seen quite a few different blue wires, and all I see are different colored stripes other than green. Perhaps I am looking at the plug at the ECU wrong... But 2Q seems to be Brown/White...
Anyway, I cannot find this Blue/Green wire. It is blue with a green stripe? I've seen quite a few different blue wires, and all I see are different colored stripes other than green. Perhaps I am looking at the plug at the ECU wrong... But 2Q seems to be Brown/White...
12-06-11, 09:42 PM
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Nope. A bad O2 sensor doesn't dump this much fuel.
Anyway, I cannot find this Blue/Green wire. It is blue with a green stripe? I've seen quite a few different blue wires, and all I see are different colored stripes other than green. Perhaps I am looking at the plug at the ECU wrong... But 2Q seems to be Brown/White...
Anyway, I cannot find this Blue/Green wire. It is blue with a green stripe? I've seen quite a few different blue wires, and all I see are different colored stripes other than green. Perhaps I am looking at the plug at the ECU wrong... But 2Q seems to be Brown/White...
I just looked at my 86 and it appears to be Blue and no stripe.
12-06-11, 09:59 PM
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Just checked my 87 FSM... L/G would be Blue/Green. Which is weird, because I see an all blue wire with what seems to be green painted marks, but it looks to me as if it is pin 2A. :-/
So, this L/G wire will have absolutely no voltage with key to on? Only on start-up...
So, this L/G wire will have absolutely no voltage with key to on? Only on start-up...
12-06-11, 10:06 PM
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Pin 2Q. Not 100% sure what it would be w/key to on but I would suspect battery voltage. Doing a continuity test will help to identify the wiring.
EDIT: When looking at the back of the plug, 2A is upper right while pin 2Q is upper left position.
12-06-11, 10:15 PM
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Found it! That green stripe is REALLY hard to see on that blue. Now, I will wire up the BAC correctly... Then move on the the MAP sensor and TPS issues.
12-07-11, 12:23 PM
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Another SIMPLE suggestion. Prime the fuel pump and check the pressure! If you don't have a gauge on your aftermarket regulator, get one. It should hold a decent amount for a while. If an injector was stuck open it would drop immediately. How does your OIL look? Does it smell like gas?
12-07-11, 01:00 PM
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My biggest problem right now is the -615 mm Hg that the commander is displaying with key to "ON"... I've almost come to the conclusion that my Power FC is fucked.
12-07-11, 01:11 PM
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but when you disconnect the BAC valve it goes down back near normal still? if so either you have a hacked up harness someone patched up or at a bend in the harness some of the insulation on the wires cracked off and 2 wires are crossing. in this case likely your BAC wire and your MAP sensor signal wire.
disconnect the BAC and see what it reads, if it drops, start the car drive it, do whatever. better to not have a BAC temporarily than a car that runs like ****.
disconnect the BAC and see what it reads, if it drops, start the car drive it, do whatever. better to not have a BAC temporarily than a car that runs like ****.
12-07-11, 01:33 PM
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Alright. I actually had the wrong wire hooked up before to the BAC... I fixed this problem last night. It is a Brown/White wire that the MAP sensor and TPS share. The BAC is now properly wired. (B/W and L/G) - Crazy thing is... The BAC would actually work with that Brown/White wire and Black/White wire hooked up...
Just unplugged the BAC and turned key to "ON"... Same -615 mm Hg reading. :-/
EDIT: That Br/W wire goes to the V ref pin. (2A)
Just unplugged the BAC and turned key to "ON"... Same -615 mm Hg reading. :-/
EDIT: That Br/W wire goes to the V ref pin. (2A)
12-07-11, 01:48 PM
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Alright. I actually had the wrong wire hooked up before to the BAC... I fixed this problem last night. It is a Brown/White wire that the MAP sensor and TPS share. The BAC is now properly wired. (B/W and L/G) - Crazy thing is... The BAC would actually work with that Brown/White wire and Black/White wire hooked up...
Just unplugged the BAC and turned key to "ON"... Same -615 mm Hg reading. :-/
EDIT: That Br/W wire goes to the V ref pin. (2A)
Just unplugged the BAC and turned key to "ON"... Same -615 mm Hg reading. :-/
EDIT: That Br/W wire goes to the V ref pin. (2A)
EDIT:You might want to place a ground to one of the terminals at the BAC and battery voltage to the other terminal and see if the BAC clicks and be careful so as to not make contact with one terminal with both wires by accident. "Maybe" your BAC is stuck open from always having the same voltage running to it.
12-07-11, 01:53 PM
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Yes. Is was sucking in TONS of air before. You could hear it from the inside of the car. Now... It is properly wired. But my car will not start now. Especially because the ECU thinks I am seeing -615 mm Hg vacuum.
12-07-11, 02:05 PM
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If you were backfeeding 12v into the 5v ref signal with the incorrect BAC wiring, you could have fried the map sensor or the 5V section of the PFC.
What does the VTA1 & VTA2 read now?
What is your PIM voltage? Based off your vacuum reading I will guess it is somewhere near 0v. Unplug the map sensor and see if it jumps to 4.99v, if it does then it is most likely just a fried map sensor.
What does the VTA1 & VTA2 read now?
What is your PIM voltage? Based off your vacuum reading I will guess it is somewhere near 0v. Unplug the map sensor and see if it jumps to 4.99v, if it does then it is most likely just a fried map sensor.
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12-07-11, 02:26 PM
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am i the only one having a hard time believing your car ever ran right?
what's better, a $50 harness or a $1000 power fc? decisions decisions
at any rate, for anyone reading this, this is why you shouldn't screw with wiring unless you know what you're doing and have a wiring diagram in front of you.
dwb, just go find a used harness somewhere. series 4 turbo or non they aren't that hard to find in unhacked condition.
what's better, a $50 harness or a $1000 power fc? decisions decisions
at any rate, for anyone reading this, this is why you shouldn't screw with wiring unless you know what you're doing and have a wiring diagram in front of you.
dwb, just go find a used harness somewhere. series 4 turbo or non they aren't that hard to find in unhacked condition.
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12-07-11, 02:34 PM
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am i the only one having a hard time believing your car ever ran right?
what's better, a $50 harness or a $1000 power fc? decisions decisions
at any rate, for anyone reading this, this is why you shouldn't screw with wiring unless you know what you're doing and have a wiring diagram in front of you.
dwb, just go find a used harness somewhere. series 4 turbo or non they aren't that hard to find in unhacked condition.
what's better, a $50 harness or a $1000 power fc? decisions decisions
at any rate, for anyone reading this, this is why you shouldn't screw with wiring unless you know what you're doing and have a wiring diagram in front of you.
dwb, just go find a used harness somewhere. series 4 turbo or non they aren't that hard to find in unhacked condition.
I never said my car has ever ran right. lol - It ran decent enough for me to move from Illinois to Washington. To be honest, my car has always ran like a turd... It's been a five year work in progress. :-/
Banzai, will do.