TriTurboGen3 RX-7

I will be buying my own FC as my first car. I have made a deal with my mom is i make it all the way through High school with A's, whe will get me a FD. I was just thinking today, Instead of her getting me a FD, I could have her get me a 4 rotor from Pineapple racing, and parts neccesary for the install. I would assume this would require soem kind of ECU, but what kinda ECU can controll a 4 rotor? Along with larger fuel pump, FLuidyne radiator, Custom exhaust header. What all i am leaving out ?

Would the Drive be able to handle it (i plan on it being Bride ported also), Would it even fit into the engine bay ?

Would it be under or around $14k-16k ?

iamptam

motor mounts and a reality check

Evil Aviator

No, the total project would cost you more around $100,000, depending on how much the engine costs, and what kind of power you are looking at. You could get a better estimate from Pineapple Racing, but I can promise you that it's going to be more than your budget. Don't feel bad, though, as I don't know anybody with a 4-rotor street car, and I only know of a handful of people who could even afford one.

BTW, given your age and the high cost of insurance for an FD, I recommend that you look for a nice FC or FB instead. It's not any fun when your insurance payments are higher than your car payments. Besides, the scheduled maintenance is also less on an FC and FB, which means more money for partying.

Keep up the A's!

TriTurboGen3 RX-7

I wouldn't get the FD till i'm 18. the engine cost $7,500

How the hell would it cost 100,000 bucks ?? Nothing is totally impossible, it just may require a nice college educated job, so maybe this project wil have to wait. And i know noone has a 4 rotor street car, hence my reason for wanting one. Plus i'll never have a Reliable FC that would be able stomp my friends 700hp Chevelle ( its not 700hp yet, but he's getting ther, quickly) And i must show him the power of a rotary.

Since that idea has been thrown out the window. What about the Details and costs of n/a BP 20B into a FC ??

But this will not stop my dreams i Will have a 4 rotor FC, that sounds exactly like the 787B, I think you all can guess my inspiration for this dream.

PlayinW/Wankel

Ah young one you have much to learn. If you want to beat him in a straight line there is no realistic way for a FC to beat him, but get him in some nice curves, or challenge him to an autoX.

NZConvertible

I don't think you have the slightest clue about the cost and work involved in this. A 20B conversion is beyond most people, and that was a motor that Mazda actually sold to the public!
This has been thrashed out before anyway, go here.

j9fd3s

iTrader: (3)

well the cost of doing a 20b fc with stock engine and turbos (350rwhp@10psi) is $10,000 in parts and 350 hours of labor.
at $50 an hour you are looking at $27,500. i can break it down further if you like. it is always better to follow evil's advice. get good grades in school now, and live with a 2 rotor fc. its all about balance

mike

TriTurboGen3 RX-7

if i had around 400hp I could take him in the striaghts, his car weighs 3300lbs, once i strip mine i hope to drop it to atleast 2500. You are no doubt right about him being no competition for me on any road with the slightest of curves.

.I have much more than the slightest clue, Just because i'm 16 doesn't mean i don't know jack **** about anything. I know that any kind of engine conversion takes **** load of work, and i also know that its not so bad for someone willing to try, and learn what all they need to do, and somone with the will to do whatever it takes to earn the money. ( I'm starting work at two places in order to get the money for a T2 FC)

Please do not insult someones level of intelligence untill you have spoken to them for atleast some length of conversation. In fact i do know alot about FC's and rotaries in general i've spent the last 2 years Learning as much as information about cars as i can possibly cram into my head. I plan on making a career out of it also. (mechanical engineering)

I'm so damn tired of ppl on the forum insulting other ppl at the drop of hat, and i've only been here a few weeks.

kristopher_d

It is not a matter of insulting. There were no real insults in any of the above posts. Under estimations of your knowledge and ability perhaps, and for some a lack of attention to the details of your first post, but no insults. The following is not an insult, just an observation: young people tend to react very strongly to any hint of disapproval. Over time they tend to either mellow out, or learn when a defencive reaction is appropriate. A bit of advice, don't concern yourself with the opinions of others. Do your best in all endeavors, and learn from the experience of others, as well as yourself. I applaud your going the extra mile to investigate prices before delaying your plans. Have fun with the car(s).

Crazy4Rotary

TriTurbo, Keep that a dream man. (for now)

I'm 15 and i have dreams like yours but a 3 rotor will do for me and i have read on the 20b forum that it takes so much problem solving that it will make your mind flip. Don't just look at the price of the engine. A 20b is $3000-4000, and in the end it's going to cost $15, 000 to $20, 000 "atleast", without the car, installing with your labor. A 4 rotor is a great idea and will be making insane power, but why don't you think Pinapple Racing, and rest of the rotary enthusiasts aren't doing this? But I can't tell you what you can't do. Sky's the limit. You didn't have to get mad at the people who have replied and said you would have problems, but in the end it's going to be them your going to be asking cause they know a lot about the 3 rotor. I really think that the biggest obstacle is going to be the ECU. A light weight FC 20b Big turbo would probably whoop the Chevelle.

I don't see why you would get mad though man "CHILL"

I have tons of respect for the 20b guys (tons of knowledge)

TriTurboGen3 RX-7

Yea true i overeacted, (haven't had a great day) i just felt kinda dissed, cuz i have investigated this topic b4 asking.

I know these plans i have are about 1 in a million of happening but doesn't every rotr had out there Want a completely insane street car that can be topped by no other ?

Ok 3rd question (lol) How much are 89+ Turbo II engines? i haven't been able to find any, i asking in case i'm only able to get a N/a FC, and the potential of a T2 goes way beyond that of a n/a. I Tons i respect for LOTS of ppl on the forum, i credit most of my rotary knowledge to this forum.

I guess i'll have to save the crazy *** Project street and strip cars, for after college.

Thanks for the help guys.

EDIT: ohh ya, i forgot to ask, is the SR motorsports stage 2 turbo kit for 2nd gens also, i know the website says so, but they only have em mounted on the FD. What are your guys thoughts on this kit, Value, Reliability, HP gains ?

turbo eight-six

the ECU shouldn't pose a problem really. thats what stand alones are for. most don't even come car specific (TECII and TECIII for example). the only reason they ask what type of motor is so they can give you the correct number of ingition packs. Now getting the correct fuel curve, there is where the problem lie. Keep that dream alive man.

Evil Aviator

Unless you want to wait until you are 30 and married, then I would stick with the FC or FB, LOL. Seriously, you should check out the insurance rates before you buy any sportscar. Also note that any modifications will not be covered if your car is wrecked or stolen unless you pay the incredibly high rates for "collector car" insurance. For example, my 20B FC has about $30,000 in it so far, and if I wreck it, full coverage insurance would cut me a check for about $2,000. A friend of mine made a mistake like this in college, and ended up with an expensive monthly car payment and his car was on cement blocks for the last 3 years of college - not fun. Also note that your car will be down for maintenance on a regular basis, as well as a lengthy time for any major engine conversions or other modifications, so you will need to have access to alternate transportation so that you can commute to school and work. This is one of the little secrets that fast sportscar owners fail to mention in the glossy car magazine articles. Once again, I recommend against a highly-modified sportscar for students.

That doesn't sound right. What does that price include? Yashiro sells their 13B-based 4-rotor engine for $44,000, a 13G/20B NA race engine went for about $42,000 back in its day, and a well-built 13B is about $6,500 from most of the poplular builders.

I don't suppose that you ever thought there may be some reason why nobody has a 4-rotor street car? You will understand this better after the microeconomics 101 college course which you will probably take your freshman year.

You do realize that a BP engine would be a real pain to drive on the street, right? Well, I guess you probably don't. Anyway, like you said, nothing is impossible, but it would be about as much fun as walking past a butcher shop while trying to keep 8 great danes on a leash. There is a very nice 20B FC for sale at the below link. You could BP the engine if you really wanted to.
http://www.efini.net/rx7s4sale.htm

There's nothing wrong with that, especially if it motivates you to do well in school and in your business. I wanted a 20B since college, and now I have one, although making it work in the car is proving a little more complicated and expensive than obtaining the engine was.

Get used to it now, and maybe you will actually have a chance of being successful enough to buy a 4-rotor car some day. If you let little things like this get to you, then I hope you enjoy your current job, because that's where you will probably stay unless you can get along better with people. Sometimes when it appears that people are crushing your dreams, they are actually helping you from making a costly mistake. Then again, some people are mean or wrong (usually temporarily), and you have to learn deal with them, too, in order to be successful.

Perspective = reality. Note that if you feel like others think that they know more than you, it could be because they are twice your age, have at least one more college degree than you, have at least one more mechanic certification than you, and/or have been working with RX-7's since before you were born. Compared to them, you don't know jack. However, it is your prerogative to ignore their input at your leisure.

Evil Aviator

An NA FC only sells for about $500-1000 less than a comparable TII, and every insurance company I have worked with gives them exactly the same rate. If you want a TII, then get a TII.
www.kbb.com

OK, I'm going to let others respond to your other questions now.

TriTurboGen3 RX-7

Ya I planned on checking out the Insurance on the FD and FC tommrow, i know its going to Suck **** out the *** of a dead goat for insurance on just the FC, being a 16yr old male.

I know why noone has done 4 rotor Fc yet, there are lots of hurdles to overcome, i just had no idea the cost would be that high, I got that # on the 4 rotor from KraftDinner. Ohh i c i can't wait for College. (finally a school subject that will acually hold my attention!!)

Yes i know a Bridge port rotary is nowhere near friendly, in all forms, (especially to other cars !!! ) Thats why if i had i got a Bridge port, my 50cc scooter would be my dailer driver, i would i take the beast out on the weekends.

When i had my r/c car, i was on of the first to put a .21 engine into T-maxx which uses the space for .15, and hell it wasn't the greatest set up, but it ran like bat out of hell. yes i know this is far far different from a real cars, I just like to be the poineer in crazy Mods.

About my reaction to the first few replys, read my last reply.

EDIT: Ohh ok, thank you about the T2 engine info, i guess i'm glad i got two jobs, will make my goals of T2 much more feasable

darkwaveboi

I just posted not too long ago a rough estimate of an *AVERAGE* TII swap that im doing. I got around 3k bucks for everything, and that includes a hookup on labor. (im 17, i dont have the time to do an engine swap myself becuase it IS my daily driver). do a search for my name and TII in the second gen specific forum.

HWO

Ever heard of doing work on the car yourself? Your own labour is FREE, thats right it costs you NOTHING.

the only thing which i haven't done in my car was the rollcage, the exhuast, both done by a proper fabricator and the paint - a friend did that at GOOOOD price

Some people spend $40K on a car and get it to the same standard as someone who has spent $20K and done 95% of the work themselves. the first person forked out $20K in labour charges

Jerk_Racer

Call Rob at Pineapple. He has one on a shelf in his shop. I know. I was there and rubbed on it for good luck (and other, more "personal" reasons) when nobody was looking. Just remember: money talks and bullshit walks. Don't waste his time with talking about dreams. Call him when you can afford the engine. How much is it? If you have to ask.......

darkwaveboi

If i were ****** bill gates i'd buy you all a tubeframe 4 rotor

TriTurboGen3 RX-7

HELL YAH YOU RULE !!!!!!

Jerk racer i don't blame ya, i would have rubbed on it, and maybe not be able to help myself from a little more that, lol. i would **** my pants just to see it in person.

BTW where is the Pineapple racing shop ?

Jerk_Racer

It's in Portland, OR. When I saw it, it was sitting humbly on a shelf next to a single rotor engine. If you didn't see it right off the bat, you'd pass right over it. I hate to ruin everybody's fantasy about it, but it's NOT in the center of a huge shrine with thousands of rotorheads coming on a spiritual pilgrimage just to catch a glimpse of it. Yep, no throngs of followers chanting and praying to it.

enfini3

Hey you dont need a 4 rotor thats why the engines are so bad ***. A 2 rotor can make 1000 hp with the right mods, dont let 1.3L disscourage you. Stop thinking bigger is better.

TriTurboGen3 RX-7

Well i guess i'll be one of those ppl, when i go there.

I can see it now, I would come in dressed in a robe much like that of a Buhdist monk. with a ball of Filled with buring incense, Dropping rose pedels at the oil pan of the glorious god of all rotaries. Bowing to it Chanting in forieghn tongue, translated to I am not worthy, i am not worthy.

TriTurboGen3 RX-7

I know a 2 rotor can bring 2000, wih lots of money of course,

But I want 5000 Muwhahahahah ahahahaha, i will be king of street and strip rotary powered drag racing noone will get near touching the awsoem power of 4 rotor best !!!!!!!!!!! FOR I AM KING !!!!!!!!!

Ok i don't know what happend there, i think the idea of totally insane 26B just took over me....

HWO

For what its worth i can source ANYONE a stock 20B for $3200USD + shipping from NZ to where ever you are.

PM me if anyone is seriously interested