Ranzo

I would like to see the race myself, it would be interesting to say the least. Personally the only Nissan I would have anything to do with is a Sylvia S-14 kouki. The only thing I like about RB engines is the sound but that has a small association with being slow in my mind.

rico05

Heh. Man after my own heart!! I LOVE the S-13. the 14 and 15 are nasty looking, and the Blacktop is not as good as the Redtop SR20DET, IMO. Longer intake runners...but you know this!! Man, to be able to race, let alone BEAT, Skylines on a daily basis....I want to move to JAPAN!!

Evil Aviator

Rotary engines and 2-stroke piston engines fire their displacement (all rotors or pistons) for each revolution of the output shaft. However, 4-stroke piston engines only fire half of their displacement for each revolution of the output shaft. This is why a 1.3L rotary would be more comparable to a 2.6L 4-stroke engine. Didn't you ever wonder why your "little 1.3L" engine only gets 24mpg on its best day?

The 1.8 conversion factor is just a rule modifier for some racing events. Most production piston engines only have about 80% volumetric efficiency, so it' not like they can fire all of their displacement, either. The volumetric efficiency can be raised by porting, polishing, etc., so this is really more up to the manufacturer and engine builders, rather than calculations based purely on the physical dimensions of the engine. This is one of the many reasons why the smaller RB26DETT can compete with the 20B. As you see, there IS a replacement for displacement - technology.

You know, the 20B was also rated at 280ps. In fact, it seems like a lot of high-output Japanese engines were rated at 280ps. I wonder if... nah, nevermind.

NZConvertible

Yep, mandatory maximum power output for a passenger vehicle. As I understand it, it's not actually law, just a "strong recommendation" from the Japanese government. Cars like the Cosmo, GT-R, Lancer Evo, NSX, etc have had "206kW" for years, but no one believes it!

Rotary Dawg

Ok even though I am a rotary fan, I will have to give it to the R34. Those beasts are, well, beasts out of the box and can kill ANY RX7 out there in a straight line. But then again, Mazda wasn't trying to build the fastest car out there when they conceive of the FD. It's the whole package that counts, and FD wins hands down on looks, handling, speed, and of course, "specialness".

RotaryMiata

Not so fast, skipper. I was there when a Saurus-built R33 dropped its titanium con rods on the track at Naha last year... All in all about a 2,000,000 Yen motor shot to complete ****, and built by one of mainland's best.

I ran a Y-tag R (Nismo turbines, Power FC, HKS gasket, and plenty fuel on a new motor) and tapped his *** for him -- that should have NEVER happened...

And the list goes on and on and on... The R is NOT a car "anyone" can build. The hachi-roku is a car anyone can build (and often has to!), a civic is a car anyone can build (and never should), but not the R.

Shops tune R's because it's got the best trans made for street duty and can produce great numbers -- not because they're easy. Hell, if a Minica Dangan had the tranny of the R and could produce the same power, everyone would run them instead.

If you think producing 800 horses in anything other than a farm is easy, you'd be making money doing it. Bottom line: it's the best car for the job, that's why it's so popular.

On Topic: comparing a non-stock car to a stock car = unfair comparison. That being said, "stock" hp numbers for both motors is the same (just like the EVO, Supra, etc... Japanese laws). The R has better suspension than the FC, and AWD. However, the FC is lighter (even with the 20B) so... R though 3 gears and the FC the rest of the way. Against a 20B FD... the 13B is already rated for 280, so putting in a 20B with the same numbers is pointless.

My $.02...


RM

Jerk_Racer

Do you mean Naha at Aja near the wharfs? That strip is good for nothing since the traction strips were laid down a couple of years ago to hinder racers. Or do you mean Nago which is a 150m strip? Less than a 1/8 mile is the best you can do legally there. That's the only true strip I can think of in Okinawa that can be rented out. Of course there's always Henza for the big boys...
I don't mean to bust your chops, I'm just wondering if it was really in Naha city proper. From what I can tell they've really cracked down on that stuff in the past few years on that island. But I could be wrong with my info. I live in the states after all.

jerk_racer@hotmail.com

jspecracer7

Hey dude, did you own that White FC? Zenkei right? I don't know if you remember me, but I used to own the White Vanquish FC. I think I met you at the Kinser Auto Hobby Shop. Either way I'm wondering where this race was...Can't race in Naha since the Kesatsu have been cracking down on drags/drifting. Where's Henza? That on Ekie Island?

tmak26b

I have a video tape that I got from Japan that shows the 99 spec FD can handle the Skyline with ease at the road course. Hell the Lancer and NSX finished faster than that. Skyline is nothing but a big 3000GT. Just because someone made it 1000hp, doesnt really mean anything.

I've raced a R32 3 years ago. I was able to beat it with a S13

Mykl

Different horses for different courses.

It's retarded to simply say one car is the ultimo-supremo faster car.

tmak26b

When you get outrun an average of 1-2 sec a lap. I am sure other tracks wont help you much. That's like saying a Geo Metro would win if it encounters the right course vs a Mini Cooper

PaulC

Im thinking we should get 3 cars together the skyline and 20b powered FC and FD and spend an afternoon of racing and timing then we can get some dinner and hit the streets and terrorize the local street racers

RotaryMiata

My bust -- I went back and read my post. I meant Nago, at the HKS drags... I didn't run in that one, but like all of them, I took many, many pics!

You're right - Aja went bust for 0-400 when they laid the strips down... Was a crying damn shame. It's still hopping for dori, however.

I agree about Henza as well -- Big dogs only -- they kicked me out once because there was a minimum HP rating of 400 to get in... Ahhh Henza... ran down many a RAM Garage Silvia there!


RM

jspecracer7

My God...I can't believe that this is STILL a discussion. I am a Rotary owner that LOVES ALL CARS. I like my rex for many reasons, but hands down an RB26 can have upwards of 1200+hp with all wheel drive while a 20B in an FC...I'm still waiting to see that happen. The GT-R engine is not bullet proof...but if you were to do the same mods(not including costs)then the GT-R WILL WIN.

I hate to admit...but it's true

jspecracer7

Ram Garage Silvia's....We always call them Ram GARBAGE...

Ranzo

The Japanese Law requires the owner of any car rated at a higher horsepower than 280 to pay a tax. Lots of owners of Porshces and new Vettes get hit by this.

Henza..... I remember all the old school cars out there laying down the law. Ram Garage also known as dame garage What a bunch of loosers do all of thier cars still go pop pop pop all the time?


And on Topic again. Let me say that the record at Nikko circuit was held by a AE86 for a long time and it is currently held by a Sylvia. Never has a GT-R held a record there that I know of. Also Amemiya did beat Mines auto's record at Tskuba with a 57" lap time. When it comes to drag racing of course a GT-R should win but they always don't Most full tuned R's run in the 8's now and FC's and FD's run in the low 9's big deal 4wd vs 2wd.

jspecracer7

That's some funny SH*T!!!.....and the answer is STILL yes.

RotaryMiata

Dude, it's amazing that nobody gives those chumps respect -- and people still take their cars there...

Sad...

Except that guy with the white S-12 Silvia -- that car can scoot! He's not the fastest guy out there, but he's representing with the old-school **** that nobody runs so he gets respect in my book.

Much more that that chump in the Supra. You know the one I'm talking about: 2300 in rims/tires, 4000 in brakes, 1400 in intercooler, 2500 in turbine, 10,000 in the rest of the motor, etc, etc, etc... And still stares at Wing Silvias (both the RB and the L) all the way down Henza... Oh, to have money like that...

RM

Maxthe7man

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Originally posted by rico05
there really is not any replacement for displacement.
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And any man that would say that has never owned a Big block dodge... ...Max