1987 TII transplanted into 1986
04-13-09, 12:25 PM
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1987 TII transplanted into 1986
Today I start the swap. Im taking the engine, tranny and rear end and putting them into my 1986. Wish me luck! I'll post pictures as I do this. Any tips are nice also.
One question I do have is about adding resistors to the 1986 NA harness. How do I know if I need to do this?
One question I do have is about adding resistors to the 1986 NA harness. How do I know if I need to do this?
04-13-09, 12:44 PM
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Since you're using the '86 NA harness, it will already have the resistor pack wired in. If the injectors in your '87 engine are low impedence (usually purple, centered tab), then you're set. If you have '87.5 injectors, they will be high impedence (offset tab), and will require disconnecting the stock resistor pack.
04-13-09, 02:02 PM
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Oh, and little things people forget about:
1) The positive lead on an NA engine harness will just barely reach a TII starter. It'll have to be bent a little to fit.
2) Remove the turbo engine's air supply valve (ASV). No plug on the NA harness, and it's useless anyway.
3) The brake booster connection on a J-spec LIM comes out nice and close to the NA hardline on the firewall, but a US-spec engine will have it over by the slave cylinder. Just something to consider when buying hoses. A 10mm hose fits nicely.
4) If you have an airpump, the NA hose for the air silencer muffler won't reach the TII ACV. You'll have to get some large hose to run down to it.
1) The positive lead on an NA engine harness will just barely reach a TII starter. It'll have to be bent a little to fit.
2) Remove the turbo engine's air supply valve (ASV). No plug on the NA harness, and it's useless anyway.
3) The brake booster connection on a J-spec LIM comes out nice and close to the NA hardline on the firewall, but a US-spec engine will have it over by the slave cylinder. Just something to consider when buying hoses. A 10mm hose fits nicely.
4) If you have an airpump, the NA hose for the air silencer muffler won't reach the TII ACV. You'll have to get some large hose to run down to it.
04-13-09, 11:02 PM
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Well I got the engine and transmission out today. Unfortunately, me being a complete newb, left the gear shifter on the transmission and it broke the casing on the transmission. I happen to have a 1986 NA tranny. Will the parts swap? Thanks!
04-13-09, 11:19 PM
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Unfortunately using your na transmission will require a beefier na clutch, na dshaft axles and rear+flywheel off na engine.
You will also need to extend your bac connection with the na wiring harness too.
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You will also need to extend your bac connection with the na wiring harness too.
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I'm not going to use my NA tranny. I just was wondering if the broken part can be swapped.
04-14-09, 12:13 AM
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And to answer your previous question, swapping the engine and transmission at the same time is the best way to do it. But as you found out, the shifter has to be removed.
04-14-09, 01:09 AM
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You can just trade the broken extension housing with your other one. All the NA transmissions are 99% identical.
And to answer your previous question, swapping the engine and transmission at the same time is the best way to do it. But as you found out, the shifter has to be removed.
And to answer your previous question, swapping the engine and transmission at the same time is the best way to do it. But as you found out, the shifter has to be removed.
04-14-09, 05:02 AM
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that NA transmission wont hold up to the power of the turbo motor either
you are a dumb ***
go see if there are other t2 tranny laying around that you can buy.... hell if you are in bay area, ca i would sell you one - but that na transmission is going blow like your mother and the only question isnt if it will, but its like when....
but the NA top **** on there, it should swap over, but slap yourself for me because my mac hand is tired from slapping bitches...
you are a dumb ***
go see if there are other t2 tranny laying around that you can buy.... hell if you are in bay area, ca i would sell you one - but that na transmission is going blow like your mother and the only question isnt if it will, but its like when....
but the NA top **** on there, it should swap over, but slap yourself for me because my mac hand is tired from slapping bitches...
04-14-09, 12:30 PM
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that NA transmission wont hold up to the power of the turbo motor either
you are a dumb ***
go see if there are other t2 tranny laying around that you can buy.... hell if you are in bay area, ca i would sell you one - but that na transmission is going blow like your mother and the only question isnt if it will, but its like when....
but the NA top **** on there, it should swap over, but slap yourself for me because my mac hand is tired from slapping bitches...
you are a dumb ***
go see if there are other t2 tranny laying around that you can buy.... hell if you are in bay area, ca i would sell you one - but that na transmission is going blow like your mother and the only question isnt if it will, but its like when....
but the NA top **** on there, it should swap over, but slap yourself for me because my mac hand is tired from slapping bitches...
No actually you are a dumbass.
The na transmission WILL hold the power of a t2 engine.
Mine has been fine for 2 years.
Your best bet before looking like an idiot (too late now, might get it next time) is to go to aaroncakes websete and do some non hateful reading.
You have so much hostility, this is a forum where we help each other....relax or find another hobby if this makes you angry.
That is at least2 agressive posts from you today......stop.
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04-14-09, 02:33 PM
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hey brett, this is corey. let me know if you need any help. i could come down from sfd on a weekend.
edit* and actually will be in joplin this weekend to work on my 91.
edit* and actually will be in joplin this weekend to work on my 91.
04-14-09, 05:20 PM
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Very cool! I'm just about done with the 87 if you want to come in a week or two and take it off my hands. It's fairly corroded but there's a lot of useful parts on it.
04-14-09, 09:22 PM
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Ok. How the hell do I take this shifter deal off. I broke it will doing the removal. I would put an arrow on it but I'm on this "awesome" mac and I can't even do simple picture editing like I can on my PC.
Looking at the picture it's on the top left of the tranny. It has four bolts that I already removed and I can't figure out how to remove it. Please help.
Looking at the picture it's on the top left of the tranny. It has four bolts that I already removed and I can't figure out how to remove it. Please help.
04-14-09, 09:48 PM
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Ohh dang that looks kinda bad. I didn't break my shifter when I did my swap. I was real careful. I put in the engine and tranny in at the same time. Wow, you took off the whole subframe and all. I didn't , during my swap I just swapped the differential, axles, and the driveshaft. When I did my 5 lug conversion recently it bolted right on literally. Ohh yeah a couple years ago I did the exact same swap as you, 86 base body with a 87TII motor but it has come a long way from just a stock swap. Anyways, you are going to need the rear brake calipers to use the vented rotors from the TII the TII ones are different then the others. Thats the issue I am having right now. I also know a couple guys who used the N/A tranny and open differential even with a TII motor and worked fine for them but yeah upgraded their clutch and flywheel. I wish I had a parts car when I did my swap, it would have been so much easier and faster to complete.
04-14-09, 09:59 PM
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Ohh dang that looks kinda bad. I didn't break my shifter when I did my swap. I was real careful. I put in the engine and tranny in at the same time. Wow, you took off the whole subframe and all. I didn't , during my swap I just swapped the differential, axles, and the driveshaft. When I did my 5 lug conversion recently it bolted right on literally. Ohh yeah a couple years ago I did the exact same swap as you, 86 base body with a 87TII motor but it has come a long way from just a stock swap. Anyways, you are going to need the rear brake calipers to use the vented rotors from the TII the TII ones are different then the others. Thats the issue I am having right now. I also know a couple guys who used the N/A tranny and open differential even with a TII motor and worked fine for them but yeah upgraded their clutch and flywheel. I wish I had a parts car when I did my swap, it would have been so much easier and faster to complete.
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Lucky that you already have 4 piston brakes! I think they are the same also as the TII but not completely sure but the 4 piston brakes bolted on to the 4 lug setup and the 5 lug setup but it seemed too bug for the 4 lug rotors. Is it 5 lug then ur 86? Yeah the vented on the TII are larger in width then the solid ones I have been told (I also had autozone look it up to see if they were and indeed they are). I was gonna use the rear calipers from a GTU (being it is 5 lug and all) but I was told that it would not work because the GTU did not have vented rear brakes as the TII did. So if u want to use those vented rear rotors you will have to use the TII calipers I believe. (Someone correct me please if I am wrong)
04-15-09, 03:24 AM
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Well I've decided to do some major mods to this thing while it's all taken apart. So I'll be posting some pictures in this thread as often as I work on the thing.
