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Old Feb 16, 2003 | 08:59 AM
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13b-re in T2, what flywheel should I use?

I have searched the forum about this, but I found some different answers...so can someone who has done this swap tell me what flywheel to use, I want the cheapest possible!
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Old Feb 16, 2003 | 07:27 PM
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Old Feb 17, 2003 | 02:46 AM
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Ok, Thanks!

...some more questions

Do I need the 13b-re counterweight or should I run without it?

Does a TII clutch fit the S6 flywheel?
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Old Feb 17, 2003 | 07:38 AM
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Your best route is just buy an aftermarket flywheel(zero balance) and use the counterweight from the 13B-RE
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Old Feb 17, 2003 | 09:29 AM
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Does a TII clutch fit the S6-flywheel?
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Old Feb 17, 2003 | 11:41 AM
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you pick the flywheel for the tranny you are using, for example if you are running a non turbo tranny use a non turbo flywheel and cltuch. as long as you leave the counter wieght on the motor you can use any flywheel

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Old Feb 17, 2003 | 02:54 PM
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My understanding is that you cannot run say a stock S5 TII flywheel on a S4 because the internal counterweight on the flywhee is different and does not match the rotors. You can use a S6 on a S5. (a guy on teamfc3s.org is doing it)

A light steel aftermarket flywheel is typically 18lbs and $400. A S6 flywheel is 19lbs and $30 used!
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Old Feb 18, 2003 | 03:27 AM
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you pick the flywheel for the tranny you are using, for example if you are running a non turbo tranny use a non turbo flywheel and cltuch. as long as you leave the counter wieght on the motor you can use any flywheel

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Yes but the flywheel I use must have holes for the 6bolts(to mount it to the counterweight) otherwise it does not fit the counterweight. The stock TII-flywheel does not have these 6 holes, it`s just the big nut i the middle(54mm or so). The questions are: does the S6 flywheel have these 6holes for the counterweight?
Does a TII clutch fit the S6 flywheel?
And last, does the S6-flywheel balance the engine correct?

(Im using the TII tranny)
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 04:31 AM
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Good question, im wondering the same thing, and didnt really want to drop an extra grand on a clutch/flywheel setup.

I mean really, if it gets THAT bad couldnt one use a front TII counterweight so a TII flywheel would work? Its either that or a S6 stock flywheel.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by TonyTurboII
Good question, im wondering the same thing, and didnt really want to drop an extra grand on a clutch/flywheel setup.

I mean really, if it gets THAT bad couldnt one use a front TII counterweight so a TII flywheel would work? Its either that or a S6 stock flywheel.
Ok, so you are also going for the 13b-re, how far have you come in the swap process?
I get my new engine(13b-re) tomorrow...

I dont think you can mount the front TII counterweight with the TII flywheel...correct me if Im wrong!

Someone who has done this swap must know what flywheel to use, please help us!!!
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 01:05 PM
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Im just starting the swap. Im getting ready to order the motor (waiting for the seller to get some), and have the mounts. Ive almost got a front mount. Got a Microtech ECU on the way to control it. Im going to use a S5 turbo to keep it simple.

I was asking about the flywheel, cause I dont see why it couldnt be used. Remove front cover, remove -RE counterbalance, install TII counterbalance, reassemble. Im going to call some people today and get this figured out once and for all. I think its safe to assume the -RE and the -REW automatic transmission counterbalance are the same. So it should just be a matter of talking to someone whos done the FD auto to manual tranny swap.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by TonyTurboII
Im just starting the swap. Im getting ready to order the motor (waiting for the seller to get some), and have the mounts. Ive almost got a front mount. Got a Microtech ECU on the way to control it. Im going to use a S5 turbo to keep it simple.

I was asking about the flywheel, cause I dont see why it couldnt be used. Remove front cover, remove -RE counterbalance, install TII counterbalance, reassemble. Im going to call some people today and get this figured out once and for all. I think its safe to assume the -RE and the -REW automatic transmission counterbalance are the same. So it should just be a matter of talking to someone whos done the FD auto to manual tranny swap.
we have one that runs. if you got an 89+ flywheel it will work with no swapping of front counter wieghts. if you use an 88 and older flywheel then you have to swap counter wieghts and rotors

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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 04:35 PM
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Yeah, I just talked to Seth. Now I need to find an S5 TII flywheel. So no aftermarket one is needed. Whew, saves me $400.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 04:29 AM
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Ok!

So the S5 TII flywheel mounts to the Cosmo counterweight with 6 bolts, am I right then???
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 11:59 AM
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Anxiously watching this thread as I'm planning the same swap.

I'm actually ending up w/ 2 RE motors, so if anyone has yet to buy one, I'll be selling the extra. Have it in my garage now, so can ship immediately. PM me if interested.

Also, is the key to this swap to use the flywheel from the tranny you're swapping into? in other words, I am not swapping to a TII tranny yet, so I want to use the existing flywheel on my 5 speed?

Seems to be a lot of confusion around this RE swap -- I guess because it hasn't been done a lot yet. Eagerly awaiting all of those in progress!
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Also, is the key to this swap to use the flywheel from the tranny you're swapping into? in other words, I am not swapping to a TII tranny yet, so I want to use the existing flywheel on my 5 speed?
you need to use the flywheel for the tranny as long as it is the same balance as the rotors.

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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 01:56 PM
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So whats the bottom line, I have a 13b-re with the counterweight on it and a TII tranny, should I use the S5 or S6 flywheel???
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 02:20 PM
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I talked to Seth, (CYM FC3S) and hes running a S5 TII flywheel. Thats it. Youd need to put the TII tranny in. The N/A clutch would get destroyed pretty quick anyway.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by TonyTurboII
I talked to Seth, (CYM FC3S) and hes running a S5 TII flywheel. Thats it. Youd need to put the TII tranny in. The N/A clutch would get destroyed pretty quick anyway.
What about counterweights, should I use the ones on the cosmo?
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Old Feb 27, 2003 | 01:27 PM
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Use an aftermarket lightened flywheel with the supplied Cosmo counterweight.&nbsp The Cosmo motor should've come with a counterweight (and possible flexplate) - the Cosmos are all auto trans, so it should come with a countweight.&nbsp Don't try to get cheap with the swap; it'll bite you in the ***.&nbsp You spent all the time and money for this - why get cheap now?&nbsp The lightened flywheel boost performance significantly.



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Old Feb 27, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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Use an aftermarket lightened flywheel with the supplied Cosmo counterweight.&nbsp The Cosmo motor should've come with a counterweight (and possible flexplate) - the Cosmos are all auto trans, so it should come with a countweight.&nbsp Don't try to get cheap with the swap; it'll bite you in the ***.&nbsp You spent all the time and money for this - why get cheap now?&nbsp The lightened flywheel boost performance significantly.

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Ok, I have to buy a lightened flywheel and use it together with the stock cosmo-counterweight. Do you know any cheap one?
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Old Feb 27, 2003 | 01:41 PM
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There was one coming out from Down Under for decent, but it requires you to transfer the ring gear off your stock one.&nbsp Any competent machine shop should be able to do this for you...


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Old Feb 27, 2003 | 05:00 PM
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Ok!

So the S5 TII flywheel mounts to the Cosmo counterweight with 6 bolts, am I right then???
NO... it replaces the counterweight completely. The S5 and FD flywheels balance the same because the rotors are the same weight.

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Old Feb 27, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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There was one coming out from Down Under for decent, but it requires you to transfer the ring gear off your stock one.&nbsp Any competent machine shop should be able to do this for you...


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He's referring to www.japperformance.com

Get a TII flywheel (lightweight) and use the Cosmo counterweight... or use a S5 TII flywheel... or if you use the NA tranny (NOT recommended!!!) use the S5 NA flywheel.

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Old Feb 28, 2003 | 05:40 AM
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Thanks Brad!

Now I know what alternatives I've got.

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