Yet another exhaust violation ticket
12-03-08, 07:51 PM
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If it's legal, it's legal, bottom line. You go to court and prove it. What's the big deal. But you guys need to see the trend here. NY, California, New Jersy. Those are states run by Demacrats. But the guy from Mississippi. Well, that would be a Republican state. Get it. Just my .02 O Yea, Always say yes sir and no sir. lol
12-03-08, 07:58 PM
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yeah i live in Biloxi, MS and its not even that red neck... but everyone thinks it is.. and with crusin the coast being one of the main things down here they let us get by with just about anything.
hell i even have 5% tint and law says 25 or 35 is legal and no one has said **** to me yet.
but to the one guy... you prove its legal and they should lay off... but the last thing you want to do is **** them off even more.
hell i even have 5% tint and law says 25 or 35 is legal and no one has said **** to me yet.
but to the one guy... you prove its legal and they should lay off... but the last thing you want to do is **** them off even more.
12-05-08, 04:47 PM
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i actually looked at new york state laws and it states that the exhaust can be an aftermarket replacement of equal quality. so it is legal to but an exhaust from any company. the law does get a bit gray. i remember reading that the muffler must be "adequate", in my eyes that could mean a lot of things. it does clearly state that the exhaust system or its components can not be modified in any way, so no dump pipes. tell the judge that the exhaust is purchased and retains all emissions equipment. tell him that mazda won't order you a stock factory exhaust since the car is over 20 years old so you can't even get one.
i'm sure if you read through the laws and find a loop hole you can get away with it, and every other time.
i'm sure if you read through the laws and find a loop hole you can get away with it, and every other time.
12-05-08, 07:46 PM
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12-14-08, 04:14 AM
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i had the full rb system on my tII and i just never got pulled over. i had a pretty flashy paintjob/rim setup too but recently when ive been pulled over in friends 240's with dead silent exhaust systems w/ huge tips the cops are always like "you cant modify the exhaust at all" sorry to hear about your bust. they dont do fix-it tickets in ny?
12-14-08, 06:42 PM
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If your cars sounds like a Ferrari then it's cool, but your cars sounds like a regular rotary engine. It's annoying to many people. Loud vehicles are just annoying IT'S NOT COOL, so shut it the hell up or Pay Up.
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12-14-08, 09:15 PM
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hey man i am in upstate new york also, if you look at the bottom of the ticket there is a section for either an officer or an new york state registered certified technician to fill out, if you get that filled out by a shop who is certified thats all you need, send it to judge and he will dismiss it, only thing is you have to find a shop willing to do that for you, the new york state sound limit is 90 decibles, shops go by that to determine wether its legal or not.. or if u have a family member or friend thats an officer he can fill it out... then also just send to judge and bam dismissed... for future reference becuase its obvious you missed the 24 hour fix it ticket deadline... also you can purchuse some stock mufflers, and go to the police station with stock mufflers on and have them sign it off there, i have some stock mufflers for sale if iterested
12-15-08, 01:00 AM
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There is no reason for you to be nice to him if he's just going to be an *******. Then you will go home with the ticket and be pissed about being all nice when you could've made his job harder than it was. Talk to cops with a straight face and a monotone voice. If you think he is a dick then treat him like one, with sarcastic remarks of course. Apply the opposite when the cop is friendly or professional.
You could just drive your car in well known industrial areas instead. Then if and when you see one in your rear view...downshift...and umm..
You could just drive your car in well known industrial areas instead. Then if and when you see one in your rear view...downshift...and umm..
12-15-08, 02:22 PM
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Also bring up how ******* loud and annoying frieght trucks, harleys and classic muscle cars are.
I hate the fact a bike can have a loud *** aftermarket exhaust but god forbid you put one on a car.
Say your old exhaust took a dump and you bought a new one and it's 50 state legal.
Oh, buy silencers.
04-15-09, 06:37 PM
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That's a reference to the stereotypical ricer. Don't get upset. Its just a stereotype and I was just saying that I don't even fit the stereotype.
Yeah I wish our law was based on decibel level, unfortunately the law is actually that you cant have anything other than a stock replacement exhaust. Bull **** for a 20yr old car in a place where exhaust systems take a beating from the winter.
Yeah I wish our law was based on decibel level, unfortunately the law is actually that you cant have anything other than a stock replacement exhaust. Bull **** for a 20yr old car in a place where exhaust systems take a beating from the winter.
04-15-09, 07:24 PM
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Arg thats rough
I got off pretty lucky the other day
im running a straight 3inch from turbo back and i got pulled over the other day for speeding doing 40 in a 25 badass right? so right when i see him behind me he puts his lights on i quickly turn off and turn my car off so he doesnt hear my ridiculously loud exhaust while hes trying to talk to me haha
i got off with a speeding ticket but he didnt notice my exhaust so lucky me
knock on wood!
I got off pretty lucky the other day
im running a straight 3inch from turbo back and i got pulled over the other day for speeding doing 40 in a 25 badass right? so right when i see him behind me he puts his lights on i quickly turn off and turn my car off so he doesnt hear my ridiculously loud exhaust while hes trying to talk to me haha
i got off with a speeding ticket but he didnt notice my exhaust so lucky me
knock on wood!
04-16-09, 09:56 AM
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I've had my straight pipe for 3 months now and have only been stopped for it twice (surprisingly).
One time was before one of the mufflers blew out. The first time, I actually had the cop break out the decibal meter. My car ended up being like 13 dB under at idle (thank god) so he let me go.
The 2nd, the muffler had been blown out for a while so it is quite loud. I was feeling gutsy around a corner, dropped it to 2nd at about 4k and mashed it coming out of a right hand turn and took it to about 8.5k. Got stopped by a cop that actually had a dB meter in his car and said my car registered 135dB @ 45ft with his windows up (made it click in my head that I should get that fixed...). Got a "Fix-it" ticket. Put my stock header and cat back on the car, drove it to the court house and told them I put the stock exhaust back on. Took pictures of the underside of the car to prove I put the stock exhaust back on. Ticket got dismissed.
One time was before one of the mufflers blew out. The first time, I actually had the cop break out the decibal meter. My car ended up being like 13 dB under at idle (thank god) so he let me go.
The 2nd, the muffler had been blown out for a while so it is quite loud. I was feeling gutsy around a corner, dropped it to 2nd at about 4k and mashed it coming out of a right hand turn and took it to about 8.5k. Got stopped by a cop that actually had a dB meter in his car and said my car registered 135dB @ 45ft with his windows up (made it click in my head that I should get that fixed...). Got a "Fix-it" ticket. Put my stock header and cat back on the car, drove it to the court house and told them I put the stock exhaust back on. Took pictures of the underside of the car to prove I put the stock exhaust back on. Ticket got dismissed.
04-16-09, 11:03 AM
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strike up the paean
i realize this is an old thread but i feel like there needs to be more info here.
new york does not specify a decibel limit.
it merely states that the replacement exhaust cannot exceed the sound output of the original OEM exhaust system.
even if the rb exhaust was as quiet or quieter than stock, you'd have to jump through quite a few hoops to prove in a court if a judge decided to actually throw the book at you. moot point anyway, i doubt any aftermarket exhaust is quieter than stock.
that is relevant to the second point:
an ad statement that the exhaust is "50 state legal" is not a legal guarantee. it's a marketing statement. from racing beat's own website:
in other words, any guarantee by racing beat that your **** is 50 state legal is a load of b.s.
new york does not specify a decibel limit.
it merely states that the replacement exhaust cannot exceed the sound output of the original OEM exhaust system.
31. Mufflers and exhaust systems. Prevention of noise. Every motor
vehicle, operated or driven upon the highways of the state, shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system in
constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or
unusual noise and no such muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped
with a cut-out, bypass, or similar device. No person shall modify the
muffler or exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will
amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system of
such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler or exhaust system
originally installed on the vehicle and such original muffler and
exhaust system shall comply with all the requirements of this section.
A muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle
plates, or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust
gas from an internal combustion engine, and effective in reducing noise.
An exhaust system is a series of mechanical devices for the purpose of
receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine and expelling
it into the atmosphere.
vehicle, operated or driven upon the highways of the state, shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system in
constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or
unusual noise and no such muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped
with a cut-out, bypass, or similar device. No person shall modify the
muffler or exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will
amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system of
such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler or exhaust system
originally installed on the vehicle and such original muffler and
exhaust system shall comply with all the requirements of this section.
A muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle
plates, or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust
gas from an internal combustion engine, and effective in reducing noise.
An exhaust system is a series of mechanical devices for the purpose of
receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine and expelling
it into the atmosphere.
that is relevant to the second point:
an ad statement that the exhaust is "50 state legal" is not a legal guarantee. it's a marketing statement. from racing beat's own website:
What does it mean when an aftermarket product is advertised as "CARB Exempt" or "50 State Legal"?
Although a part may be advertised as "50 State Legal", this may be more of a marketing statement than reality. Unless an emissions sensitive part has been issued an Executive Order number by CARB, or an EPA exemption, FOR THAT SPECIFIC VEHICLE OR ENGINE CLASSIFICATION, the part is NOT legal for street use. Period, end of statement! If you must have a CARB exempt component for your vehicle, obtain the exemption number from the manufacturer prior to your purchase and verify the application status at the CARB link above.
Parts that are typically appointed CARB exemptions include: headers, air filter/intakes, turbo kits, and supercharger kits. Parts that are typically not eligible for a CARB exemption include, but are not limited to: replacement catalytic converters, downpipes or headers that remove or relocate a catalytic converter, and performance carburetor kits. Contact the manufacturer of a product that you are considering purchasing for details regarding that specific component.
An exhaust system that is installed AFTER the catalytic converter is considered a "cat-back" system and is considered emissions legal. (Sound level restrictions may be an issue in your state, check with the exhaust manufacturer or you local authorities for more information.)
Although a part may be advertised as "50 State Legal", this may be more of a marketing statement than reality. Unless an emissions sensitive part has been issued an Executive Order number by CARB, or an EPA exemption, FOR THAT SPECIFIC VEHICLE OR ENGINE CLASSIFICATION, the part is NOT legal for street use. Period, end of statement! If you must have a CARB exempt component for your vehicle, obtain the exemption number from the manufacturer prior to your purchase and verify the application status at the CARB link above.
Parts that are typically appointed CARB exemptions include: headers, air filter/intakes, turbo kits, and supercharger kits. Parts that are typically not eligible for a CARB exemption include, but are not limited to: replacement catalytic converters, downpipes or headers that remove or relocate a catalytic converter, and performance carburetor kits. Contact the manufacturer of a product that you are considering purchasing for details regarding that specific component.
An exhaust system that is installed AFTER the catalytic converter is considered a "cat-back" system and is considered emissions legal. (Sound level restrictions may be an issue in your state, check with the exhaust manufacturer or you local authorities for more information.)
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04-16-09, 11:41 AM
#47
strike up the paean
you may be lucky and get a sympathetic/understanding judge or officer.
but from a technical legal standpoint, don't doubt for a second that you are in violation of the statute.
if they wanted to nail you on it, they could.
but from a technical legal standpoint, don't doubt for a second that you are in violation of the statute.
if they wanted to nail you on it, they could.
04-16-09, 11:49 AM
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The limit on how the exhaust can be is by the state, not the exhaust company. However, you might be able to fight it saying it really is the quietest replacement you can get compared to stock as stock parts are no longer available for your 20yr old car. You might get lucky, you might not.
Either way, the cop that pulled you over was probably stereotyping (like you said earlier). They don't take the time to think that some of us are different.
+1 on what Alex said. Get a license plate or even a surround that says you support the police or fire dept. or something. It really does help.
In the end, it all depends on the cop. Some cops will stop you for doing a slow-and-go through a stop sign. Others will see you driving spirited and ignore it.
Either way, the cop that pulled you over was probably stereotyping (like you said earlier). They don't take the time to think that some of us are different.
+1 on what Alex said. Get a license plate or even a surround that says you support the police or fire dept. or something. It really does help.
In the end, it all depends on the cop. Some cops will stop you for doing a slow-and-go through a stop sign. Others will see you driving spirited and ignore it.