Dr!freak

I dont get why people think its loud. I have heard louder exhaust sounds from street bikes, harleys, and trucks. So If the law thinks your fc is too loud then they should say something to people that drive harleys and motorcycles. I own a streetbike myself and my neighbor 6 houses down complaining about the noise levels as well. It is also on the factory stock exhaust lol. So I am proud of the loud noise. FTW and I dont give a crap. Have you tried slapping on a silencer for your exhaust?

Rotor_Venom08

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screw the old lady. my brother drives a stock 91 with blown out glasspacks the rest of the exhaust is factory and intact.... its loud as ****. also in my driveway sits another fc and fb, and a bridged RX2. trust me they dont dare to bother complaining about the FC lol do what i did and get something louder and more obnoxious than the FC problem solved.

but seriously tune in and buy a RB exhaust. its not just the old lady believe me cops, and everyone else that hears it will hate it and give you ****. so either get used to it or do something about it.

now about the comments about people not warming up their cars. especially against the wisdom of Arron respectfully I call BS. ive been driving old carburetorated cars not just rotarys for quite some time and its just a force of habit to let the car warm up. granted a tuned fuel injected turbo might not need it, but the comment about it building carbon from ideling... lets get real.

can you drive off without warming it up yes. you could also shift without using the clutch. should you?? NO

Derekcat

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B) I've said said before.. RB is the only exhaust I'll run. Beautiful sound, performance, ridiculous reliability...

Many times, I've observed Rob of Pineapple Racing hopping in and driving both of his vehicles [REPU and S5 'Vert] with no meaningful idle time. Start, buckle, radio, roll. (Or some variant of that order)
Same with the other most respected expert in Oregon..

Good enough for me!

...But as you said, there's also RotaryEvolution, AND Aaron Cake if that's not enough for you.

As for the specific reason to start rolling, I am under the impression that it is to help the engine/oil get up to temperature quicker to reduce startup wear.

clokker

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You may think that continually pissing off your neighbors is a viable option but one day you'll meet someone even more of an asshat than you and will change your mind.

Rotor_Venom08

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Clearly I was joking...

clokker

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Then clearly I'm oblivious.

Aaron Cake

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It's not really a "problem", it's just an issue of the ECU not being set up for the car. But keep in mind you can't really get a really good warmup table until the rest of the fuel table is at least mostly tuned. Someone familiar with basic tuning should be able to make the car drivable in an afternoon and at least guess at a warmup table. Driving around with an untuned ECU is bad for the car as well. You're polluting the oil with fuel which thins it out and washes down the oil film that should remain on the housings/irons.

People do indeed suck. I'd be wondering how the police handled this situation, as in most areas there really isn't anything ilegal about working on your vehicle. Derelict vehicles are another thing, as is working on all your friends stuff, but some repairs on your own? Normally I wouldn't advocate such behaviour but you should talk to her when she is renovating/landscaping/etc. and remind her how you were treated when you worked on your car, telling her how you can't stand seeing her construction/gardening materials everywhere. But in the same sense, these types of people are just ******** and can never see how their activities could annoy someone else. The police will just get tired of hearing from them.

If you were my neighbor, we'd have a talk about how your NA being "very very loud" has no business being started at 6:20AM. And in fact it has no business being "very very loud" because it puts down what, 160HP to the wheels. The fact that you can't believe you have never received a complaint shows a lot about your attitude towards your "shitty" neighbors.

Well, you're wrong. There's just not much more to say about that really.

REAmemiya_fan

How could idling not build up carbon? The main reason the owners manual says to redline at least once a day is to REMOVE any carbon that may be building inside the engines. I see where you are trying to come from by allowing the engine to warm up to operating temps to allow for growth in all the parts and meet operating tolerances, BUT, the engine is already operating right? Might as well use it. The ONLY thing I can say from word of mouth is letting your car warm up for a minute or two before driving is a neccesity for a turbo.

Rotor_Venom08

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Wrong about what? It all down to preference. Its your car do whatever you want with it. But if you definition of right is starting the car up and driving off limp dicking it around town then by all means I'd rather be wrong. I want to get in my car and drive off. I have a minute or two of my day to spend so my car operates properly.

So what if it builds a minoscuel amount of carbon. Red line it after your already driving and blow it away. Your exxagerating a minute point. You can't ever not be ideling. I've spent a minute or more waiting at a red light its inevitable.

RotaryEvolution

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waste all the gas you want, i won't. that is reality, only reason to warm up a car is if you like it cozy inside when you jump in and want to mash the gas right out of your driveway.


the car WILL warm up quicker if it has a load on it, versus idling it may never get up to operating temperature if the ambient temps are cold enough while idling.

let's see, how long does it take to warm up a rotary letting it idle in your driveway at an ambient temperature of 35F... 30 minutes? probably still not warmed up yet... this thread is about obvious ways to avoid the old lady bitching at him, one obvious way is to avoid letting the car sit idling for 5, 10, 15, or 20 minutes.

when i jump in my car i drive easily for 5 minutes and then drive it how i want, year round. no sitting and idling for 15 minutes waiting for some tool to jump in and take off while i'm watching tv waiting for my pos to warm up.

your idea of spending a minute or 2 letting the engine warm up is laughable. the coolant in the system has probably raised 10 degrees in that time, hardly warmed up to operating temperature.

brian_skotch

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I DO have a presilencer on my exhaust. It's really not bad, this old lady just blew up and took the whole situation farther than it needed to go. It's gotta suck to be so old having nothing better to do.

And I'm not really looking for another exhaust just yet. Albuquerque has a modified exhaust law meaning any exhaust besides stock is illegal. This would include a rb. These tickets are more based on the douche-bagginess of the officer and driver. Because of this law however I'm just trying to avoid dealing with the police in general. That's a battle I won't win.

Rotor_Venom08

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i live in houston TX it never comes close to 35F here so.. ask the Canadian that one.

do what you want with your car but dont tell me what is right or wrong to do to my own clearly it works for me, or else i wouldn't have given my opinion in the 1st place.

im not here to tell anyone else what to do, or what not to do im just offering an opinion, of my personal experiences.

start it in gear and limp away for all i care.

are we not allowed to have a difference of opinion? or am i posting again in the communist section of the rx7club.

Justin1992

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I can vouch for Brians ride; It's not nearly as loud as you all are making it out to be. After reading all of you guys arguing to **** about coolant nonsense, I'll just copy what aaron said and say this:

The car isn't loud; if anything, from what I've seen from rotaries, it's QUIET. That's all there is to it. Period. End of story.

The whole thread revolves around this fact: The lady is bitching about how loud his car is, and his car ISN'T LOUD. You can easily talk to eachother; Hell even whisper to eachother standing right by the exhaust. If that's WAY TOO LOUD FOR A ROTARY OMG etc. etc. then by all means; Enlighten me as to how loud it should be, because save for going back to stock exhaust he's about as quiet as it's gonna get if he still wants his turbo rotary to be able to actually breathe.

My N/A is louder than his turbo, and while that may not be saying much seeing as how the whole turbo system quiets the exhaust noise down, it's true. And my N/A Isn't exactly loud, either. I've still got a full exhaust system under there, save for the main cat.

Rotor_Venom08

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we dont know how loud it is... but trust me a 65 year old women from a street away wouldnt have came to complain, if the car was "whisper quiet". so try again

i think the more important issue is as others have said letting it warm up in the driveway, along with his tune.

i say we get her voice in on this invite her to join the forum and lets talk to this OG.

RotaryEvolution

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everyone is entitle to their opinion, and arguments are just arguments of point of view. we all gave ours and he can take whichever route he wants.

i just think the side he should be looking for was rather clear to avoid the old lady who has nothing better to do than complain about the car idling while warming up. simple answer to me which gave reasons for doing so. if he is going to continue to do as he has i can already see that the result won't be satisfactory for the OP once the police get involved and see the car and hear it running. even if it is quiet it will obviously not sound right with the bridge and once they start poking around, well...

why not say it is safe to drive the car cold if it is? (just my opinion of course, not that my experience means much to some people apparently)

HIS problem is that the car isn't drivable until warm, which is the main problem.

digitalsolo

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Geeze, how loud IS your car? I live in a quiet neighborhood and have had no complaints (and we have some complainers) with my car. I have a V8 with a turbo and my downpipe is 3.5" diameter and all of 20" long (dumps out front fender).

Sounds like you need to sort your tune, son. That, or get a noise check and just end the bullshit.

BTW, most OEMs recommend NOT letting your car sit and idle to warm up. Again, I can get in my car, turn the key, give it MAYBE 15 seconds if it's cold out, and take off. Not a big deal.

ryan2949

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I just feel like if I start my car in -20 to -30 celcius and drive off after starting it that the engine is still frozen and I'd be worried I break something or wear the engine out faster. I use to let my civic run for 15 minutes every morning during the winter. If I knew about this I would have saved myself the cost of gas, aha. I guess remote starters are actually a waste of time and money then. I'll let my girlfriend know not to buy one.

Rotor_Venom08

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car looks good btw lol

Justin1992

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The main thing people use them for is the heater. Even in rotaries you shouldn't really need to let it warm up for more than a few minutes, and then it's just personal preference; Like someone else said I'd rather let it warm up for a minute or two (And that's all really, I'm not talking half an hour here, i don't use my heater :P) and have the power at hand if i need to get out of a sticky situation, which i have before, than limp dick half the way to work and worry about hurting something if push comes to shove and i need to redline it to get out of someones way, which is a very common occurrence here in ****-town, New Mexico. Unless you're working with someone like me; I HAVE to let mine warm up for 10 minutes every morning to clear out the damn coolant in the motor before it'll finally run on both housings instead of just one...And before i start getting **** for that one, I don't drive the car much anymore after losing my job and a new motor is already on the way so.

BASTARD

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so you agree with the lady?!?!?

brian_skotch

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Yes. I swapped that exhaust for some duals with a presilencer.

brian_skotch

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haha thanks man! I appreciate it

j9fd3s

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good point! way back in 09, i fired the P port up, took it up and down the street to make sure it worked, and then parked it.

the neighbor lady comes over and tells me its loud enough to wake the dead* and then asks if i had a muffler.

i was nice, and said three, but i thanked her for putting up with it, and since then i've actually crammed a resonated tailpipe on it, which makes it quiet enough

the odd part is that the next day we went to sevenstock and all you people told me how quiet it was.

so she is entitled to her opinion, even though its wrong. my action was to defuse the argument part, in the two years since then, she hasn't complained about anything i've done at all.

*aren't the only people who sleep @2pm vampires?

FelixIsGod29X

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I start my car 5 days a week at 6:20am because i am heading to work. I dont let it warm up, just start and go. My "very very loud" exhaust has its reasons and ive tried to fix it many times. In the end i need a new exhaust which is next priority on my car. Hell cops haven't bothered me in 2 years with any ticket! (knocks on wood)

My attitude about his shitty neighbors have nothing to do with my neighbors. (I call his neighbors shitty because supposedly he actually has a quiet exhaust)

I just moved into a new place a few months ago. I knew right away that i could have some problems because of my car. What i did was get on the neighbors good side right away and be respectful. I fixed one of the neighbors generator (you know, the whole hurricane Sandy thing that just happend) Well now after a long convo with them it looks like they are thankful i moved next door over all the last residents that been there.. Wont be any problems here!

wthdidusay82

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Some people are just miserable and use any reason they can to vent their frustrations.

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