It's personal preference, but I disagree. Having a functional car is much more rewarding than a nice looking one. I'd rather go to the track with a shitty looking amazing performing car, than a great looking shitty performing car.

Almost all low end coilovers do suck for performance, but do offer better than stock performance when adjusted properly. A custom setup with sleeves and springs and some better dampers like bilstein are always going to be better, but much more expensive. The original plans for coilovers on my car were AWR 2.5" strut tubes and 2.5" rear coilover kit with swift springs and bilstein dampers. This setup came out to 3400$ shipped, however I found a great deal on a good set of Zeal's and am going that route instead now. It's all a matter of personal preference, talking **** to people because they like coilovers is pointless and stupid, people will do what they want regardless of your or anyone's opinions.

It depends on what you want to do with the car, if you're wanting to make just a car to drive on the street and aren't concerned about track performance, then go show first, if you want a car that will perform on the track, go with "go" first.

 

Nope, how many track events have you gone to? How many track events have you gone to with different suspension setups and how many hours/laps have you put on them to adjust them and get a feel for the car? How much faster were your lap times with coilovers than any other setup? How many different suspension setups have you tried before you found that coilovers were indeed the best? How much $ have you spent on dampeners in the last 5 years? How much $ have you spent on springs in the last 5 years? What camber/caster plates did you have on your car and what were the alignment specs? How many different dampeners have you had dynoed before you found your coilovers were better than them all?

The truth is you have done non of this and probably just replaced your stock blown suspension with them and slammed you car to the point where your suspension geometry is all kinds of fucked up and called it a day. You know nothing and have done no testing.

Is this an admission that a proper spring shock suspension is indeed better than coilovers?

So if you actually have to turn a nut it's crap huh? By aggressively dampened do you mean over dampened? Because that is what a lot of coilovers are. The dampeners should complement the springs.

Again, this isn't about how "extreme" the OP is,(since body kits aren't extreme at all) it's about how you have coilover dick in your mouth.

 

What happened to balance? Clean up the car so it looks nice, cost-effectively, and work on the performance upgrades. Balance the budget between the two.

 

What about the people like me that like their slow na? Haha

 

im all about all go and no show..




looks stock, but pretty much everything else has been upgraded, engine built for 350whp, standalone ems, coilovers, brakes, etc

 

^Hell yeah. It looks good even with the stock wheels.

 

Nice, my car will be the same way with the only aftermarket aero piece being the shine re-a knockoff rear bumper add on's. Otherwise it will look close to a Ifini IV, even the paint.

 

My friend says it best: Motor first. Motor First. Motor FIRST!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda...fCarsQ5fTrucks

This guy did...........and claims to put 20 grand in his car.

John NY

 

ok ill stop because this is just a **** contest, all hail king turbo II rotor. Thats what you want to hear right? how right you are at everything and no one is as experienced and as skillful as you.

 

No, I just want you to stop talking out your ***, which you obviously are since you didn't answer a single question I asked.

Good day to you sir.

 

Running what turbo? I hope at least BNR's or better?

 

yeah its a bnr 3. made 310whp at 12 psi on the old stockport engine. now its streetported with RA seals @ 15psi. haltech e6k, 750/1600 injectors

 

Should see at least 350whp or more. I like the setups they do, keeps you out of single turbo money territory.

 

Alright. Quit clusterfucking the guys thread.

On topic: I wouldn't call you a ricer by any means if you did show before go. I mean, i look at my car sitting in my driveway sometimes and just want to cry because it's so ******* ugly and then i think about how much more fun it would be to drive with an operating lsd, some good coilovers and a cockpit that rivals that of an f22 raptor.... Power isn't as important to me personally as much as having a well-rounded car. I tend to build up all areas at once just to keep a decent balance. I'm n/a and i'm probably going to stay that way for a while. Too much time and work involved right now AND i just had a baby. She'll be old enough to hand me a screwdriver and organize nuts and bolts (hopefully not putting them in her mouth or throwing them at me) by the time i get my TII.

I think you should spend some time thinking about how you percieve your car and how you want to drive it. Definately look around the forum as much as possible to give you some direction. It's true that you cant see your car on the outside when you're driving. When it's parked somewhere and you find yourself staring at it shaking your head in disgust, do something about it.

Try not to ask the forum too many opinionated questions. You'll almost never get the answer you want. Do what you will, post it up and then take the good with the bad.


I just dont get all the damn fighting on this site. WE DONT DRIVE HONDAS, WE DRIVE RX-7'S! Get yourselves together!

 

Didn't read through the thread, so I'll just post based of the first question.

I've done both in the past and with my seven I went this route. Bought the car in pristine shape, custom pearl white paint. Otherwise completely stock. First thing I did was throw on some wheels and tires (IMO Tires are the best bang for the buck, I mean it changes everything about your car when you get some high perf. tires) Then I through on my coilovers and front and rear strut. After that, I did some interior stuff, like steering wheel, shift ****, pedals. Just little dress up stuff. Which is awesome cause its something you always notice, even when ur cruisin. I love my super grippy pedals, holdin onto my sued Momo steering wheel and shifting with my little sporty shift ****... I love it! Then I got a front lip (which will serve its point when I do my turbo swap this spring and go FMIC.) Which will be next is doing the engine swap. I have meticulously decided before I ever did my first mod on the order I was doing my build. And couldn't be more satisfied with the choices I've made. Yeah power is awesome.... but its not everything. My engine is stock minus intake and injectors. In CO I'm runnin 117 hp to the wheels, and I get the same times as the lotus's in AutoX... with no power. And its a blast to drive through the mountains.

So in short, I wouldn't change the order I've done things at all. But don't get me wrong, I'm more anxious than a crackhead waitin for his next fix to get my turbo swap!!!

 

You should definitely do wheels and tires and suspension and whatnot first. I interpreted the original post as 'I'm going to do all the basic things first, such as wheels and tires and suspension, then decide between high-dollar body mods or high-dollar engine swap'
In that case, I'd go with a TII swap. But I'm a sucker for clean OEM looking cars that can also rape face performance-wise. Whatever floats your boat really...

 

Ummm, I've spent $4,500 solely on wheels, tires, coilovers, front+rear strut. So its not like thats cheap. And like he said in the first post. All of this is as much as a TII swap, which is true.

edit: Actually the $4,500 also included the after market alarm I put on, along with minor engine fixes and fixing the paint in a couple spots. But to get it to normal with those mods was $4,500

 

why would coilovers be ****? I dont get it...

 

Because shock dynos say they are.

 

Who said that? Coilovers ARE the ****!

edit: I see now, Turbo II did.... Wow, how can you say that? I've ran a bunch of setups on a bunch of different cars, and my coilovers are brilliant! On the road/track or even sideways, they are absolutely amazing. But hey, what do I know!

 

What about you? Stop being an elitist bitch because you read grassroots motorsports and farnorthracing.com. At the end of the day, you're probably not even a good enough driver to take advantage of the meticulously set-up suspension that you spent so much time into tuning.

There was never anything wrong with buying coilovers and enjoying them, because they make your car more fun to drive.

 

So you're saying that shock dynos are worthless and should not be considered as valid as people's word...

At least those articles have factual information in them, not "These coilovers are the **** because I put them on and feel faster."

If that was the case, everyone would be buying E-bay vortech generators and diamond fire spark plugs, because "They make my car feel faster"

The best way to sum it up is on farnorthracing.com, some people are fast despite their setup, not because of their setup.

 

Dude, don't be so black and white about it... I can go have coilovers designed for 10K Euros, and for 60K Euros, and they'll both be more adjustable, consistent (sp?) and purpous built then any set-up you have ever had, and probably will ever have. So much for calling ALL coil-overs ****. Now for the OTS stuff 99.99% of FC owners will buy; yes it will never be ideal. On the other hand: yours probably won't be either. What it comes down to is that in the end all those low-end OTS coil-overs are good enough for most FC owners.

BTW: In your perfect coil-over free world? What would all those serious drivers have to race with? Koni custom valved double-adjustable struts?

Riz.

 

wow.

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