whereiscarmensandiego

are custom rads needed? because well atleast with the stock rad how would u be able to route the coolent hoses without then getting all messed up?

OSO

Does the Vmount have much benefit over a T2 with its TMIC? Other then running a large IC.

rob81gsl

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backroad-junkie

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^did you fab your vent or is it available somewhere?

rob81gsl

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i made it, thinking of making duplicates though

backroad-junkie

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I know some other members are gonna jump all in my *** for saying this or not saying it the way they would but the vmount can be easily thought of as a balance between a front mount and a top mount. There are +'s and -'s with top mount and front mount i.e. lots of heat soak with the top mount but allows excellent response, pressure loss with the long piping and large core of a front mount but cools the air more efficiently. I was seeing a steady rise in water temp when holding my car over 80mph for a little period of time when i had my greddy front mount, granted i had a stock radiator and clutch fan at the time, i wanted good response and I wasnt looking for the high horsepower the fmic could allow so v mount was a good option for me. There are some negatives for v mount though..i imagine heatsoak from the radiator might be significant, there are no kits for the FC so all parts must be fabricated and engine bay size and engine components can restrict the sizes of intercoolers available to use as well as necessitating purchase of a vented hood to make adequate use of the setup.

backroad-junkie

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let me know, im interested

DragonRx7

Here's some photos of my old setup. Very ugly, but functional.





Since I wrecked that car and swapped everything into a new and straight body, I made some new uppper mounts that attach to the side of the radiator and a new lower mount that runs across the frame just above the oil cooler. The close proximity allows a good seal between the oil cooler and radiator. The IC is now completely behind(towards the firewall) the radiator support and no longer underneath it at all. I would have some pictures of that one, but it's still a bit of a work in progress. Mostly rearranging the piping and getting the mounts finished.

Rob81gsl: Is that vent made of steel or aluminum? I'd be interested in one as well. I like how flush it sits with the hood and doesn't raise above it.

TitaniumTT

I'm sorry but jump IN your ***????????

I don't think a VMIC would cool the air more effeicently that a FMIC. I think it would be damn close to AS effeicent but I don't think more

Yeah - no. I doubt the rad would heatsoak the intercooler in a proper setup

Yeah - no. That right there is a plus

NO. If you are doing all this fabrication PROPERLY there should be no restrictions in intercooler size. Not to mention if you get a REAL core and not some piece of **** chinese ebizzle drift jdm intercooler you can use a much smaller core than most of the ones in this thread.

Purchasing a vented hood is also optional.

backroad-junkie

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yeah, like your doing right now lol


im not saying the vmic cools MORE efficiently, im saying the front mounts + is it cools more efficiently, just like i said the tmic's + is it allows excellent response, i might've typed it a little confusing or just plain wrong but its what i meant. Kinda like the way you misspelled efficient but its not a spelling bee.


i didnt mean to state it as fact...i just said i imagine it is a factor that may come up. I figure any heat around the IC might be a factor in the temp..like at idle for an extended period of time but i guess when you start moving the air will do what its meant to do. Im not dumb man, although sometimes i type dumb things, i just have to think myself through stuff lol.


some people might think its a pain to fab a part that potentially gets f'd up for any reason.


Yes I understand that my core is not an excellent core but it is one that I can use as a standard to use when I do get a actual performance intercooler. Im not swinging it around left and right saying my core is badass and outflows properly built IC's but i know what size i need for building one to take its place and if it got f'd up in the fab process it was no big deal. I know whats good and whats not so thanks for that input guy.

Was it hard to purchase a vented hood on your high horse lol : im kidding man dont take it all seriously. But thanks for clearing some things up and i didnt mean to sound like a dick.

SPDRACER

almost finished...

SPDRACER

Still a few things to finish off before it will run though

Sindregutt

There is absolutley NO doubt that a rad will heatsoak the IC if driving slowly, standing still! My setup works really really good while driving, but at driftmeets etc, waiting in line (Idiotic!!) i get 130degree fahrenheit

sharingan 19

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IC fan?

TitaniumTT

Absolutley positivly not a doubt in the world huh? And the only proof that you have is what you've experienced at mad tytye drift events yo?!?!? I say STFU - NOW. How do you know that it's not your crap ebizzle core getting soaked from the ridiculous intake temps passing through the core? You want to test it? Do something interesting like drain the radiator and plug a garden hose into the lower rad hose and plumb the upper underneath the car so all the water drains away. Start the car and run it until it gets to operating temp and then see what your intake temps are. But that might not get up to temp so take the rad out of the car and plumb it near the fender. Whatever you do take the radiator out of the equation before stating your inexperienced, undereducated opinion as fact. I ******* hate that. I bet with and without the rad your IAT will be damn close. Until you actually do a little experimenting and have proof other than what your little brain comes to the conclusion of, shut the **** up and stop spreading mis-information.

red_s5_fc3s

I agree with Titanium, the intercooler will not get heat soaked, although temps will raise standing still. The temps are rising because there is no air movement through the intercoolor, not because of heat-soak. If anything gets near heat-soaked it would most likely be the intercooler piping near the engine, but this is only because the rotary runs so damn hot. Once air gets moving, the temps will drop. Imo I'd rather have a Vmount setup because you can get more air to pass through the rad, IC, and Oil cooler(s) more effectively while driving. With the help of electric fans, you can avoid running high temps standing still.

blimp

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Sindregutt

haha titaniumTT. the ebay IC i got is made of the very same material as every other IC ive seen. I tested it against the standards of 6061-aluminum alloy.. Non of em are 6061 but they are probably something similar. Anyway, i might have misunderstod what heatsoak is, but everything thats HOTTER than the ambient temp will make the IC less efficient and having a IC close to the rad, engine, etc under a hood(even if its vented) will make the IAT warmer than a FMIC. Im just a crappy drifter that _USE_ my car, so what do i know
IC-fan is a good idè!

TitaniumTT

That and you're just a kid that thinks that everything that his brain puts together is right come hell or high-water. You are the problem with the internet. Unless you have actual proof - STFU and stop spreading your OPINION as FACT because there is a LARGE difference between the two. I'm sick of crap like this.


& what's with every mad tyte dorifto punk that thinks that just becuase his car runs it gives them the right to spew **** as fact? While your ebizzle hunk of aluminum may still be aluminum it's of a much lesser grade of aluminum and I'd be surprised if it actually had turbulators in the core. Most of them don't which makes them much less effeicent. Someone with access to more testing equipment than I do actually did some test of the ebizzle junk vs a real core. That's why I spent 5x on my intercooler than you did.

TitaniumTT

Yup & thank you - with no air moving through the outside of the core all the intercooler is going to do is slowly rise to a medium of the ambient temp and the temp of the intake air moving through the inards. Once air is forced through the outside of the core the intake temps will drop because the intercooler will actually be doing it's job. The ONLY part of the intercooler that is subjected to engine bay heat in a properly setup/ducted VMIC setup is the flat spot on top of the core which represents what????? .5% of the total surface area of the intercooler? That and as as red_s5_fc3s pointed out, the piping.

TehMonkay

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His car runs, he races it, he has fun with it.

He's put alot of work into his car, maybe not as much money as you, but there's no reason for you to talk down to him like he's a bug you should stomp on. He even said "m just a crappy drifter that _USE_ my car, so what do i know " with a ******* smiley face, so there is no reason to be a dick to someone who is open minded.

CyborgRyu

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CyborgRyu

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Oh yea. ^ From Defined Autoworks.

Fluidyne Rad+ebay intercooler.

Sindregutt

I like that angle on your vmount setup Cyborg. With a proper deep-duct i bet it will cool quite nice. Have you removed the front tube or repossitioned it?

Dont make this a flame-thread. I think there is alot of good opinions/pictures/etc, so please.
If you think you`re the best since you spend so much money, i think you should check tuningprices in norway once more ...

TitaniumTT

Again, explain exactely the relevance of a running car? My 11 years of owning an FC and doing more to it that most have dreamed has no bearing on any discussion becuase she's been on jackstands for 17 months? What if some 16yo newb came along with a bone stock FC that he's owned for 3 hours and started spewing **** - based on your logic becuase his car runs he knows more than me? What if a dyslexic, retarded, OCD troglodyte whacked out on ecstacy who had a habit of throwing *****'s at people after pulling them out of his *** had a car that ran? You'd believe anything that he said as well? And yes, this is a retarded drifter punk thing. Everytime I've called one of them out the only response they have is, "WTF do you knowm your car don't even run. I drift my car mad tyte yo and bouce of rev limit all day. I drive **** outta my car and your car sit on jackstands!!!" Again - SO ******* WHAT!?!?!?!?!


I'm not talking down to him becuase he's a drifter. I'm "talking down" to him becuase what he thinks is right when he has ZERO proof whtsoever. All he has is what he thinks which I disagree with completely. He has no proof - end of facts. I hate it when people come on the forum and start stating thier opinion as fact. It drives me batshit insane. All he is doing is spreading misinformation. Until he has actual proof other than sitting in line for a drift event, he should STFU. End of discussion

What does my budget have to do with anything? I don't have a budget so it should be irrelevant anyway. Spending wads of cash doesn't make you smart either. Actually experimenting and comeing up with proof is what matters. One test is worth more than a thousand opinions.