why so much$$$???
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why so much$$$???
ok everybody,, whats the deal with the price of putting a 20b in( 20k is a alot for putting a damn motor in a car). the motor is only about 5k , I hear 10k,20k,30k. How much would it cost if I supply the subframes and the motor????
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if you supply the subframe and the motor you are looking at 18k. 25ktotal job-5kmotor-2ksubframe=18k.
the reason its soo expensive is that there is lots of fabrication involved. for example, on the fc you have to move the radiator more vertical because the engine is longer. this means custom brackets, and you have to make radiator hoses. it is not like a honda engine swap where everything bolts up
mike
the reason its soo expensive is that there is lots of fabrication involved. for example, on the fc you have to move the radiator more vertical because the engine is longer. this means custom brackets, and you have to make radiator hoses. it is not like a honda engine swap where everything bolts up
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I go on record again, 20 grand to put a moyor in a car is rediculous. If you can't build motor mounts, stand a radiator up, build an exhaust or what ever is required you don't need to attept a swap.
It takes less to pop a V8 into an RX7. Explain that...
It takes less to pop a V8 into an RX7. Explain that...
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well for starters you can find a 350 chevy for like $5. they probably make 350->fc headers for $99, and if you weld the engine to the chassis thats almost free....
there 350 chevy into fc for $104.
i only have about 6k into my 20b fc, but im providing all my own labor, tuning, fabrication, rigging, sawing, etc.
most of the v8 guys do too, but i think a lot of fd owners are paying a shop to put it in. you are also forgetting the rest of the car. i suppose you are going to triple the stock hp and use the stock brakes and suspension?? evils budget includes all of the safety equipment, and suspension mods, mine does not (yet). i think if you compare apples to apples you will find the v8 swap is not much different money wise that the 20b. look at jimlab he has spent probably twice what evil has and they both have about the same hp.
mike
there 350 chevy into fc for $104.
i only have about 6k into my 20b fc, but im providing all my own labor, tuning, fabrication, rigging, sawing, etc.
most of the v8 guys do too, but i think a lot of fd owners are paying a shop to put it in. you are also forgetting the rest of the car. i suppose you are going to triple the stock hp and use the stock brakes and suspension?? evils budget includes all of the safety equipment, and suspension mods, mine does not (yet). i think if you compare apples to apples you will find the v8 swap is not much different money wise that the 20b. look at jimlab he has spent probably twice what evil has and they both have about the same hp.
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Originally posted by swoop
I go on record again, 20 grand to put a moyor in a car is rediculous. If you can't build motor mounts, stand a radiator up, build an exhaust or what ever is required you don't need to attept a swap.
It takes less to pop a V8 into an RX7. Explain that...
I go on record again, 20 grand to put a moyor in a car is rediculous. If you can't build motor mounts, stand a radiator up, build an exhaust or what ever is required you don't need to attept a swap.
It takes less to pop a V8 into an RX7. Explain that...
$300,000 Ferrari's that have a waiting list over a year long...
$40,000 20B conversions offered by Pettit - there are several running around...
Do I need to keep going?
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Originally posted by swoop
I go on record again, 20 grand to put a moyor in a car is rediculous. If you can't build motor mounts, stand a radiator up, build an exhaust or what ever is required you don't need to attept a swap.
It takes less to pop a V8 into an RX7. Explain that...
I go on record again, 20 grand to put a moyor in a car is rediculous. If you can't build motor mounts, stand a radiator up, build an exhaust or what ever is required you don't need to attept a swap.
It takes less to pop a V8 into an RX7. Explain that...
If you can't fund motor mounts, an aftermarket radiator, an exhaust or whatever is required you don't need to attempt a swap.
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This year, I've spent about 12k on my 20b swap... that doesn't include an ECU, new turbo, new transmission or rearend... I already had the ECU, the tranny, rearend and turbo are on the way next year.
However, my 12k does include a complete rebuild and street port by marvelspeed, a jspec engine, motor mounts, radiator, huge intercooler, igintion components... blah blah blah... it keeps going on and on. I have a list of everything that I've bought on here somewhere... if you want a rebuild and ported motor (by a professional with parts that you bought at cost from mazdacomp), get a hell of a deal on a jspec 20B, and run the stock turbos, and you already had an upgraded radiator and aftermarket ECU, you can do the swap for < 10k.
However, my 12k does include a complete rebuild and street port by marvelspeed, a jspec engine, motor mounts, radiator, huge intercooler, igintion components... blah blah blah... it keeps going on and on. I have a list of everything that I've bought on here somewhere... if you want a rebuild and ported motor (by a professional with parts that you bought at cost from mazdacomp), get a hell of a deal on a jspec 20B, and run the stock turbos, and you already had an upgraded radiator and aftermarket ECU, you can do the swap for < 10k.
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Originally posted by j9fd3s
i think if you compare apples to apples you will find the v8 swap is not much different money wise that the 20b. look at jimlab he has spent probably twice what evil has and they both have about the same hp.
i think if you compare apples to apples you will find the v8 swap is not much different money wise that the 20b. look at jimlab he has spent probably twice what evil has and they both have about the same hp.
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Originally posted by jimlab
A V8 swap can be much cheaper than a 20B swap, don't use my car for an example. I spent money on all the best and lightweight parts, and many of them were custom made. When you're building an NA engine, it's that last 50 or so horsepower that costs the most.
A V8 swap can be much cheaper than a 20B swap, don't use my car for an example. I spent money on all the best and lightweight parts, and many of them were custom made. When you're building an NA engine, it's that last 50 or so horsepower that costs the most.
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It's just great to have a man such as jimlab act like such an entrepreneur and do things is own way without having to follow the "system". Those types of people in my book can move mountains. A+ for effort jimlab! And an A++ once you finish your prject and see ourselves a dyno and time slip! 
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^------ Jim has desecrated, defiled, and deflowered the the once virgin and fertile beauty that is... Aw **** it, Bam Bam has a point. Best of fortune to Jim and his project. I'm also dying to see some numbers.
