Running 20B. Reply only if have a running 20B powered car.
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From: n
We got the first 20B up and running with an "impossible" combination - a Haltech E6K + IG5.
The E6K fired just the leadings; the IG5 fired just the trailings.
We had full trailing split control, but we had to use two ECU's to do it.
This was back in 2001.
That car was dismantled and the engine was shipped back here in Hawaii.
We got the car up and running and tracked using just a single Haltech E6K, firing a trio of twin-tower (FC leading) coils - basically, no split.
Minus the turbos, the car made 195 at the wheels on a DynoJet with the stock block.
The thread should be still in here.
The E6K was configured to fire in a "6-cylinder, wastespark" mode - I don't know of anyone else running it like that.
This is basically a fancy 3-cylinder.
Like I said, the car has been track'd and reliable.
Sure, it doesn't make a lot of power, but we got it up and running and streetable.
This was back in 2004 or so.
The car is currently being redone to run under Haltech E11 control.
A trio of turbos are being fitted, and we're shooting for big power now...
-Ted
The E6K fired just the leadings; the IG5 fired just the trailings.
We had full trailing split control, but we had to use two ECU's to do it.
This was back in 2001.
That car was dismantled and the engine was shipped back here in Hawaii.
We got the car up and running and tracked using just a single Haltech E6K, firing a trio of twin-tower (FC leading) coils - basically, no split.
Minus the turbos, the car made 195 at the wheels on a DynoJet with the stock block.
The thread should be still in here.
The E6K was configured to fire in a "6-cylinder, wastespark" mode - I don't know of anyone else running it like that.
This is basically a fancy 3-cylinder.
Like I said, the car has been track'd and reliable.
Sure, it doesn't make a lot of power, but we got it up and running and streetable.
This was back in 2004 or so.
The car is currently being redone to run under Haltech E11 control.
A trio of turbos are being fitted, and we're shooting for big power now...
-Ted
Originally Posted by turbotommy
i have a 20b fd thats been running for for quite awhile now. Ported motor with a big single turbo. 15psi on pump roasts the tires at 130mph 
NO issues.........knock on wood aahhhh
NO issues.........knock on wood aahhhhmy 20b TII has been running for a few months, i am in the process of beefing up the suspension and drivetrain right now.
ehh..when you do something like that, especially if its going to be a track car, sometimes people like to keep it to themselves.
i was thinking triple gt28r s on mine back in the day...
i was thinking triple gt28r s on mine back in the day...
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Big Jesus
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From: las vegas
Kudos
Originally Posted by RETed
We got the first 20B up and running with an "impossible" combination - a Haltech E6K + IG5.
The E6K fired just the leadings; the IG5 fired just the trailings.
We had full trailing split control, but we had to use two ECU's to do it.
This was back in 2001.
That car was dismantled and the engine was shipped back here in Hawaii.
We got the car up and running and tracked using just a single Haltech E6K, firing a trio of twin-tower (FC leading) coils - basically, no split.
Minus the turbos, the car made 195 at the wheels on a DynoJet with the stock block.
The thread should be still in here.
The E6K was configured to fire in a "6-cylinder, wastespark" mode - I don't know of anyone else running it like that.
This is basically a fancy 3-cylinder.
Like I said, the car has been track'd and reliable.
Sure, it doesn't make a lot of power, but we got it up and running and streetable.
This was back in 2004 or so.
The car is currently being redone to run under Haltech E11 control.
A trio of turbos are being fitted, and we're shooting for big power now...
-Ted
The E6K fired just the leadings; the IG5 fired just the trailings.
We had full trailing split control, but we had to use two ECU's to do it.
This was back in 2001.
That car was dismantled and the engine was shipped back here in Hawaii.
We got the car up and running and tracked using just a single Haltech E6K, firing a trio of twin-tower (FC leading) coils - basically, no split.
Minus the turbos, the car made 195 at the wheels on a DynoJet with the stock block.
The thread should be still in here.
The E6K was configured to fire in a "6-cylinder, wastespark" mode - I don't know of anyone else running it like that.
This is basically a fancy 3-cylinder.
Like I said, the car has been track'd and reliable.
Sure, it doesn't make a lot of power, but we got it up and running and streetable.
This was back in 2004 or so.
The car is currently being redone to run under Haltech E11 control.
A trio of turbos are being fitted, and we're shooting for big power now...
-Ted
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From: n
Originally Posted by patman
good deal on the triple turbos Ted, I originally wanted to do that with mine, but i didnt have the extra time/money. If you dont mind, what size turbos are they?
I don't mean to keep you guys in the dark!
They are triple GT2871R's.
I was looking at the GT28RS's, but they look a little but too small for what we were shooting for.
I just got word that the first turbo (rearward one) just got fitted, and hopefully the other two will go in pretty quick...
Yeah, these things did cost a pretty penny!
$3,500+ for three of them!
Boy, the things we do just to be different!
-Ted
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From: Winnipeg
20B 93 FD been running since this summer, it was 6 months of hard work but it was all worth it so I could drive down to 7stock, hit a deer and do $10,000 damage. But the car did make it there and home, a total trip of over 7000 miles in 2 weeks.
I contribute this to my mechanical expertise....lol or luck!
Any way, I met Big Jesus at 7 stock, his car looks awsome and he and his brother are great guys. Wish I had made it to Vegas to see him, he even offered me a hood.
It was nice to see what a great rotary community we have.
I contribute this to my mechanical expertise....lol or luck!
Any way, I met Big Jesus at 7 stock, his car looks awsome and he and his brother are great guys. Wish I had made it to Vegas to see him, he even offered me a hood.
It was nice to see what a great rotary community we have.
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From: Sydney, Australia
Originally Posted by BigJesus
I am interested to see how many people have completed and are driving their 20b powered cars as of the moment.
Originally Posted by rarson
Hey, wait a minute, your sig says 95 JC Cosmo... that wouldn't be a factory 3-rotor swap, would it?
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Originally Posted by patman
if youre 'roasting the tires' at 130, A. youre full of ****. B. youre straight up crazy/stupid. and C. you need some better tires.
my 20b TII has been running for a few months, i am in the process of beefing up the suspension and drivetrain right now.
my 20b TII has been running for a few months, i am in the process of beefing up the suspension and drivetrain right now.
Actually, I know for a fact that Turbotommy got sideways and almost lost it, which would have been terrible, at over 100 with drag radials on his car when he floored it.
He is redoing everything to try and get the car to hook up. Clutchless transmission, ect. He is crazy and striaght up stupid. But he is not A or C.
This is his engine
Originally Posted by BigJesus
The hardest part was the electrical. Tying in the system to the FD. Although yes, when you have the right parts it makes it easier, You have to buy the right parts and not limp on anything. I did not know REted did a swap as in the post he wrote, his wallet blah blah blah. And my respect to all you guys. You guys make it sound like it is easy. Is it really?
Am i the onlyone who has suffered? I know only what i have learned during this project about hte 20b. I have done much to the 13b and know that this is no way the same. Things are a little more difficult cause you use the the 3rd gen pulley and TDC is not the same marks. Yes you take off the ex. man. and set it to TDC but it always moves +/-.
The harness also was a pain in the butt as everything is custom.
Rx-heven, you know that it is not easy. How long has your project been going for?
Is it easy? No. As i can see you have a 20b in progress. and when you drive it youll see how we feel.
What i want to hear is the experience and stories of those who have completed as your story is still in progress. I also guess you havent ran into any problems or have you. Respond to that.
IF ANYBODY DOING A SWAP, AND HASNT RAN INTO ANY PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER, I BOW DOWN TO YOU CAUSE YOU ARE THE SMARTEST ROTOR HEAD IVE EVER COME TO SEE.
Even Steve Kan from Gotham first swap didnt go that well. If you read the RX-Tuner magazine dedicated to the 20B just about everyone that did the swap had problems. It goes with the territory. Im sure Steve can do them with his eyes closed now. Its the first one that gets ya.
Am i the onlyone who has suffered? I know only what i have learned during this project about hte 20b. I have done much to the 13b and know that this is no way the same. Things are a little more difficult cause you use the the 3rd gen pulley and TDC is not the same marks. Yes you take off the ex. man. and set it to TDC but it always moves +/-.
The harness also was a pain in the butt as everything is custom.
Rx-heven, you know that it is not easy. How long has your project been going for?
Is it easy? No. As i can see you have a 20b in progress. and when you drive it youll see how we feel.
What i want to hear is the experience and stories of those who have completed as your story is still in progress. I also guess you havent ran into any problems or have you. Respond to that.
IF ANYBODY DOING A SWAP, AND HASNT RAN INTO ANY PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER, I BOW DOWN TO YOU CAUSE YOU ARE THE SMARTEST ROTOR HEAD IVE EVER COME TO SEE.
Even Steve Kan from Gotham first swap didnt go that well. If you read the RX-Tuner magazine dedicated to the 20B just about everyone that did the swap had problems. It goes with the territory. Im sure Steve can do them with his eyes closed now. Its the first one that gets ya.
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Big Jesus
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From: las vegas
Damn. That sucks. I know its alot of work. And expensive. GitRdone and dont let that get you down.
There arent many others out there completed, and to all of those doing projects, keep your heads up cause when youre done its a never ending smile.
There arent many others out there completed, and to all of those doing projects, keep your heads up cause when youre done its a never ending smile.
Originally Posted by patman
if youre 'roasting the tires' at 130, A. youre full of ****. B. youre straight up crazy/stupid. and C. you need some better tires.
my 20b TII has been running for a few months, i am in the process of beefing up the suspension and drivetrain right now.
my 20b TII has been running for a few months, i am in the process of beefing up the suspension and drivetrain right now.
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From: Manhattan
Another forum member is having Flaco tune his 20b. Abel said the car was all over the place at 100mph + at 14psi with 275 rears (street tires I believe). It makes me question how useful all this power is.
Turbotommy, how much boost are you running?
Turbotommy, how much boost are you running?
Originally Posted by turbotommy
Patman, i am spinning the tires at 130mph, no reason to BS. I may be a little crazy at times but not stupid. i have a 275 mickey thompson drag radial on there. Im in the process of putting a softer spring in the back to help the weight transfer better. I believe the hard spring i have on there is partly my problem. I will figure it out soon i hope. but seriously im not full of ****. I have no reason to state something thats not true. good luck with your car
Originally Posted by CMonakar
Another forum member is having Flaco tune his 20b. Abel said the car was all over the place at 100mph + at 14psi with 275 rears (street tires I believe). It makes me question how useful all this power is.
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From: Ambler,PA
Originally Posted by CMonakar
Another forum member is having Flaco tune his 20b. Abel said the car was all over the place at 100mph + at 14psi with 275 rears (street tires I believe). It makes me question how useful all this power is.
Turbotommy, how much boost are you running?
Turbotommy, how much boost are you running?
He can correct me if I am wrong. Pretty sure he is at 15lbs. There is absolutely a question about how useful the power is. Unless he can find a way to hook up it becomes hard to get down the track in a good time. Tommy is smart though and he will get it to hook. He is a drag ****, but I am wondering how this power is used in other peoples road track cars?
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From: Manhattan
Originally Posted by mirabile
He can correct me if I am wrong. Pretty sure he is at 15lbs. There is absolutely a question about how useful the power is. Unless he can find a way to hook up it becomes hard to get down the track in a good time. Tommy is smart though and he will get it to hook. He is a drag ****, but I am wondering how this power is used in other peoples road track cars?
yes indeed. 15psi, it is very serious and dangerous. Im confident i will get the power down. Im going to play with different shocks, springs, tires, slicks, etc. altho crazy and dangerous, it makes me smile and it makes me think about it every time i sit my skinny *** in the seat.
and it makes me think about it every time i sit my skinny *** in the seat.