BigJesus

I am interested to see how many people have completed and are driving their 20b powered cars as of the moment. So far i have seen Felix and Attila. If there are any others list here.

PEOPLE that have started but have not finished start another thread for that.

IronMdnX

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My car is asleep for the winter months, but it has been drivin for the better part of 4 years. As for most people, it is never complete. Breaking and updating parts has been the normal routine.

bcool

I think we just had a thread on this, but add me to the running 20b list.

teachermechanic

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On the road since 2 year. FD 93

BigJesus

The last thread was for 20b registry and everyone and there mother posted. Trying to see how many others are out there

61620B

I have been driving my 616(Rx2) 20B power turbo for 4 1/2 years with
no trouble.I do the regular maintenance oil and water to keep the
engine running in good order.I have also run the car up to 20 psi on
pump gas and it is my daily driver to work .

now

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my 1988 10th Anniversary has been together and drivable for over 8 years now i think.
http://www.agt.net/public/nowback/rx7club/20b/5/

RETed

WTF is up with the bullshit elitist attitude?


-Ted

Natey

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str8ryd

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+1, wondering the same thing?

RX-Heven

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Are you using any water and/or methanol injection to run that much boost on pump gas? I'm assuming 91 octane...right?

I'll chime in for my good friend Jury who never posts. He has a black 93 20b powered car. He bought Bermuda20b's car a few years ago and it's been up and running most of the time since then.

BigJesus

????? What are you guys talking about. There are too many posts to read em all and wanted too see which cars are running. Not projects, cause if they were serious enough, they would complete their cars. Im not talking **** but if youve gone through what we have ie trouble shooting and completing these cars you could understand the difficulties and respect there is to it.

BTW BUMP ON ALL RUNNING 20B CARS
(not knocking the 13b, just giving respect to those who have completed there projects)

str8ryd

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I understood your intent for the thread, but just reading your posts it came across as arrogant. Hence, my reason for agreeing with Ted. Even now, with your last post it's coming across the same way.

I don't see why someone that has a "project" underway has any less respect or understanding of the difficulties involved in taking their 20B from project to completion? Wasn't every running 20B in a project stage at some point in time anyways? Does that mean that you had less respect for the 20B as well when it wasn't running? I would think that anyone willing to put in the time/money needed to even begin a 20B project would say absolutely NO!

Anyways, another BUMP for the running 20B's. I hope to join this group very shortly (March possibly). Keep it up guys.

now

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Even if the "now" was not aimed at me i thought i would use it and reply.

I will agree but i posted as i did for a reason.
i felt the same tone so i thought i would add to it or try to top it LOL

RX-Heven

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BigJesus

LOL. SORRY, really. Yes my project took over a year and was a project that took a lot of time, blood, sweat, and tears, YES TEARS, when you think its ready and it starts only to have problems you cannot help but to quietly yelp. Good luck on your projects.

61620B

NO methanol/water injection here,Just plain
91 and some good tuning with experince.

Here is a little video from 3 years ago,
this was a run on 18 psi boost and feathering
the throttle trying to keep the tires from breaking loose.
This is the same engine i have right now from that
video,Everyday driver.

61620B video link:

http://videos.streetfire.net/categor...7f017b7416.htm

turbotommy

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i have a 20b fd thats been running for for quite awhile now. Ported motor with a big single turbo. 15psi on pump roasts the tires at 130mph NO issues.........knock on wood aahhhh

RETed

Dude, we're all here to try and help the people who ask for it.
This is not labelled the "RUNNING 20B CARS" section.
This is a general 20B section - running or not.

There are "projects" which would make you go broke, if you happened to read all of the information.
I commend these guys for dumping that kinda money!
I just don't have that kinda wallet to handle some of the expenses some of the members have done!
You gotta admire the no-holds-barred attitude when it comes to completing the project.

You come across as someone who is too lazy to read through everything before posting...

I don't find getting a 20B to run that difficult.
If you have a decend grasp of automotive tech, you're just firing a fancy 3-cylinder?
Engine fires every 120-degrees.
Firing order is either 1-2-3 (common) or 1-3-2 (less common).
Standard trailing split applies both to 13B and 20B, so there should be no suprises here.
There are many aftermarket standalone EMS brands that can competently fire a 20B - I prefer Haltech myself.
Oil injection options are same as 13B.
Turbo theory is slightly different than a 20B due to the 3 (versus 2) rotor pulses which "dilute" the exhaust pulse power if running collected, but basically adjust the turbo airflow for the 50% more displacement due to the 3rd rotor.
Everything else is standard intake / exhaust / fuel / ignition timing.
Mechanical problems can be overcome by a competent fabrication specialist.
Mating the 20B engine is easy for almost any RX-7, since the transmissions all bolt up.
Biggest problem comes when you start to crank up the power...it tends to break parts.


-Ted

felix_is_alive

Now now guys come one keep it cool , i know Jesus` post might have come up a bit sharp there but , i kind of understand though and i think a lot of people do too , in my case i had to be screwed over twice just to get my car to run , and there are a lot of other people that do get in these bummps as well ,take RED for example we all now his car is kick-*** but he also went to hell and back to get it to run , so i think (feel) once you get it to run (never mind finish) it becomes such an overwhelming achievement (at least for me it was)
To me i say everyone who`s running and/or finished i tip my hat to you guys , those of you who are not done yet , take youre time and do it right , that way you only have to do it once!
And i am kind of done at least i am running , breaking in (sucks)

BigJesus

I guess you have a running 20b car huh? Since it is so easy then why doesnt every one who has a 20b project complete it that quickly.
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR *** MAN!!!
It isnt easy or cheap. Competent shops are rare and hard to find, and when you do find one they tend to be 200 miles from where you are. When you do a project, and it is easy to complete, or is completed, then post here. Dipshits like yourself are what really get to me. A fancy 3 cylinder. WTF!!! You have 3 rotors with 3 firing faces per (9 cylinders) at below 4000 rpm, after that the same theory firing 2 plugs (9x2= what, 18) where the f do you get a fancy 3 cylinder, and where the f is your automotive tech of the rotary? Not many ecu run the 20b for that reason. Haltech is a good ecu, and easy to use. There are others that are difficult to use. I agree with you on some respects but to come and talk **** on a thread Newtons law comes into effect, FOR EVERY ACTION, THERE IS A REACTION.
Dont talk **** if youre not ready to stand in it.

And as you said, there are threads for other cars that need answers or help, this one isnt for them. This thread is only for running cars(as the post says). I read through most of them when going through my project.

BigJesus

Oh and by the way, not lazy, not broke, or not incompetent. I also have completed my 3rd gen 3 rotor. That is why i ask to see how many others have completed theirs. It is a long bumpy road, and if anyone else doing a 20b conversion is reading this, save yourselves some $$$ and have a shop do it from start to finish. Pay the $30k. in the long run youll save time, $$$, and head/heartaches.

BigJesus

Exactly my point. Thanks Felix.
AGAIN. Sorry
How many times do i have to say SORRY. Im going to go back in this thread and count em. I didnt want an arguement, just see how many guys went through what we did. (getting fucked, with out the vaseline) and still had had the heart to complete em. Bump to all of you guys.

RX-Heven

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What was the hardest part of your swap?
Using a Pettit subframe they did all the R&D on so you could simply drop in the engine?
Or was it the latter part of your swap you had Autotech Motorsports complete for you?

The only difficult thing I see in your conversion was the ecu install. The only difference between a 20b and 13b in that case is there are a few more injectors and coils with a 20b. You even used the stock twins......not that there is anything wrong with that.

btw, ReTed was one of the first to do 20b conversions years ago with a shop and has done more since then.

You have absolutley NO IDEA what you are talking about as proven here and again in many of your other posts.

BigJesus

The hardest part was the electrical. Tying in the system to the FD. Although yes, when you have the right parts it makes it easier, You have to buy the right parts and not limp on anything. I did not know REted did a swap as in the post he wrote, his wallet blah blah blah. And my respect to all you guys. You guys make it sound like it is easy. Is it really?
Am i the onlyone who has suffered? I know only what i have learned during this project about hte 20b. I have done much to the 13b and know that this is no way the same. Things are a little more difficult cause you use the the 3rd gen pulley and TDC is not the same marks. Yes you take off the ex. man. and set it to TDC but it always moves +/-.
The harness also was a pain in the butt as everything is custom.
Rx-heven, you know that it is not easy. How long has your project been going for?
Is it easy? No. As i can see you have a 20b in progress. and when you drive it youll see how we feel.
What i want to hear is the experience and stories of those who have completed as your story is still in progress. I also guess you havent ran into any problems or have you. Respond to that.

IF ANYBODY DOING A SWAP, AND HASNT RAN INTO ANY PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER, I BOW DOWN TO YOU CAUSE YOU ARE THE SMARTEST ROTOR HEAD IVE EVER COME TO SEE.

Even Steve Kan from Gotham first swap didnt go that well. If you read the RX-Tuner magazine dedicated to the 20B just about everyone that did the swap had problems. It goes with the territory. Im sure Steve can do them with his eyes closed now. Its the first one that gets ya.